Lamar Jackson

[Hamwallet]

I was pretty skeptical about him but he is legit. If the Ravens keep the D up as they always do I can see many battles in the playoffs against them for awhile.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

This is a team that can run you into the ground even if you pack the box. You can't just stop lamar. You also have to stop the ravens run offense. That's why you have to beat them in a sprint. Take them away from what they do best. We did that the first time but I suspect their defense is much better right now.

They ran the ball for 200 yards and dominated the clock and what happened? They lost. And yes folks will say "their defense is better" but I would argue that our run defense has improved since we played them and we never had Tyreek that day either. They have an average pass rush and our skill players match-up well against their secondary...couple that with our ability to score quickly and that's why we do well against them. We put their offense under pressure by keeping the scoreboard ticking and that's what Lamar can't handle imo. They are a good front running team...not so much when they have to come from behind.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Well he's gonna be facing some very decent defenses over the next five weeks so we're gonna see what he's really made of.

Niners
Bills
Jets
Browns
Steelers

He struggled previously against the Browns and Steelers defenses so that should be interesting to see how he adapts the second time around. The Niners and Bills have legit defenses and the Jets are number one at stopping the run if I remember correctly. So over the course of these next five games the Pats and Chiefs will be able to see what the other DC's are coming up with to stop him and gather that info ahead of the playoffs.

I wonder if it would be worth packing the box and just rushing three guys with a spy to cover him? Because I really don't think going for sacks is the answer here. Making him throw the ball several times IS the answer. He threw 40 plus times in Arrowhead and was garbage..so this has to be the plan. When you watch his throws they are no longer than around 10-15 yards and often they are straight throws...he very rarely throws deep shots left or right. So rush three, pack the box, have a spy and crowd the middle of the field whilst having your secondary play man to man!!..that's what I would try.

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. Ravens are very physical in the trenches. Also hard to cover Andrews. I agree with your ideas though. Have to find a way to slow down their run game, and that is not just Lamar.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

They ran the ball for 200 yards and dominated the clock and what happened? They lost. And yes folks will say "their defense is better" but I would argue that our run defense has improved since we played them and we never had Tyreek that day either. They have an average pass rush and our skill players match-up well against their secondary...couple that with our ability to score quickly and that's why we do well against them. We put their offense under pressure by keeping the scoreboard ticking and that's what Lamar can't handle imo. They are a good front running team...not so much when they have to come from behind.

Because we won in a sprint. If we miss one of those early scores it would have been an uphill sled for us. They want you to run a marathon. You have to beat them early. As I've said in every post.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because we won in a sprint. If we miss one of those early scores it would have been an uphill sled for us. They want you to run a marathon. You have to beat them early. As I've said in every post.

We can't play the "if" game because quite frankly we blew them off the field in the third quarter and Lamar was reduced to throwing up lucky prayer balls which should have been easily picked off!! .

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

We can't play the "if" game because quite frankly we blew them off the field in the third quarter and Lamar was reduced to throwing up lucky prayer balls which should have been easily picked off!! .

I don't think we're saying different things. We won because we kept scoring points and reduced lamar to having to win vertically and our defense made a tough stop or 2. Take one of those stops away or if our offense stalls just a little bit, the ravens can use lamar the way they want to... As a complement to a power run offense.

We took that game away from them. But if we don't build an early lead and sustain the sprint, that's not a good situation you want to be in.

[synthesis2]

The guy isn't bright what so ever.....

One result that Lamar Jackson would like to put behind him is his Wonderlic test score, which was a disappointing 13.

The Wonderlic is a 50 question test that must be completed in 12 minutes. Each question answered correctly accounts for one point. Quarterbacks average a 24 on the test and all position players average a 22.

2018 QB Wonderlic Scores

Quarterback
Wonderlic Score

College
Josh Allen
37
Wyoming

Josh Rosen
29
UCLA

Sam Darnold
28
USC

Baker Mayfield
25
Oklahoma

Lamar Jackson
13
Louisville

Here are a bunch of guys at QB coming out of college that scored a 13 on the test.


Lamar Jackson
13
Louisville

Rasheed Marshall
13
West Virginia

Brock Berlin
13
Miami

Brad Banks
13
Iowa

Neil O'Donnell
13
Maryland


The Wonderlic is a measure of cognitive ability, very similar to an IQ test. The big difference is that the test is made up of only 50 questions that test takers have 12 minutes to complete. That may sound easy, but the average score on the test is designed to be 20

The guy is a athletic freak but has zero upstairs...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

The guy isn't bright what so ever.....

One result that Lamar Jackson would like to put behind him is his Wonderlic test score, which was a disappointing 13.

The Wonderlic is a 50 question test that must be completed in 12 minutes. Each question answered correctly accounts for one point. Quarterbacks average a 24 on the test and all position players average a 22.

2018 QB Wonderlic Scores

Quarterback
Wonderlic Score

College
Josh Allen
37
Wyoming

Josh Rosen
29
UCLA

Sam Darnold
28
USC

Baker Mayfield
25
Oklahoma

Lamar Jackson
13
Louisville

Here are a bunch of guys at QB coming out of college that scored a 13 on the test.


Lamar Jackson
13
Louisville

Rasheed Marshall
13
West Virginia

Brock Berlin
13
Miami

Brad Banks
13
Iowa

Neil O'Donnell
13
Maryland


The Wonderlic is a measure of cognitive ability, very similar to an IQ test. The big difference is that the test is made up of only 50 questions that test takers have 12 minutes to complete. That may sound easy, but the average score on the test is designed to be 20

The guy is a athletic freak but has zero upstairs...

We all know what a wonderlic is. Athletic qbs can do fine without it. Randall Cunningham scored a 15. DeShaun Watson and Vick had a 20. Of course he's not going to thrive in a pocket qb offense but that's not what he's asked to do.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DTVietnam

If Mahomes wants to be a true GOAT and leader he needs to tell Andy what he sees and what to call in that situation..

Its not all on Andy.

Mahomes will have more plays with multiple options. Open up the offense. We will see it this week. Quote me on that.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Kman34

Once all the teams watch all the tape on him.. he will be stopped..

I agree a lot with this. Crazy thing is the Ravens "old school" power football has the teams playing them off balance right now. Teams have gotten used to playing offenses that spread them out. Now teams have to man up and commit to stopping power football while being mindful of a QB that has the wheels to run around them. The inability to stop this straight forward approach has led Jackson to only have to make relatively easy throws in non pressure situations. As with all things, the league will adjust to the Ravens' offense and eventually Jackson's arm will have to be the primary thing that beats other teams. Will it be this year is the biggest question.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by kgrund

I agree a lot with this. Crazy thing is the Ravens "old school" power football has the teams playing them off balance right now. Teams have gotten used to playing offenses that spread them out. Now teams have to man up and commit to stopping power football while being mindful of a QB that has the wheels to run around them. The inability to stop this straight forward approach has led Jackson to only have to make relatively easy throws in non pressure situations. As with all things, the league will adjust to the Ravens' offense and eventually Jackson's arm will have to be the primary thing that beats other teams. Will it be this year is the biggest question.

That's my thought. I've said before that Pennel being on the shelf for a few months is still shocking and probably shows teams still haven't realized the need to adjust yet. It comes at a not so great time for us but a great time for the ravens and 49ers. The ravens are plenty beatable but they're peaking.

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We all know what a wonderlic is. Athletic qbs can do fine without it. Randall Cunningham scored a 15. DeShaun Watson and Vick had a 20. Of course he's not going to thrive in a pocket qb offense but that's not what he's asked to do.

i'm not saying that a athletic QB can't overcome below average smarts but his score is much lower than normal. I mean Vicks 20 is much better than 13. A 20 is close to average for all players but below average for QB's. Lamar is WAY below for a QB.

He just drops back, looks around for a second throws or ( most likely) runs and because he is arguably the best RB in football he gets a lot of yards. But not much upstairs.

I think he could be an amazing WR or RB, its too bad he does not make the switch to one of those positions, he could be generational. As a QB he will flame out as he just won't be able to process change when things get more complex.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Ya, it's not like suffered a dislocated kneecap and a 300 pd lineman farming his ankle.

Still a lot of football to be played. How you play the next two months is what really counts.

Since when does securing the number one seed, going into OT in the AFCCG, and losing the coin toss constitute not showing up in big games?

crickets....

[bowener]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

The guy isn't bright what so ever.....

One result that Lamar Jackson would like to put behind him is his Wonderlic test score, which was a disappointing 13.

The Wonderlic is a 50 question test that must be completed in 12 minutes. Each question answered correctly accounts for one point. Quarterbacks average a 24 on the test and all position players average a 22.

2018 QB Wonderlic Scores

Quarterback
Wonderlic Score

College
Josh Allen
37
Wyoming

Josh Rosen
29
UCLA

Sam Darnold
28
USC

Baker Mayfield
25
Oklahoma

Lamar Jackson
13
Louisville

Here are a bunch of guys at QB coming out of college that scored a 13 on the test.


Lamar Jackson
13
Louisville

Rasheed Marshall
13
West Virginia

Brock Berlin
13
Miami

Brad Banks
13
Iowa

Neil O'Donnell
13
Maryland


The Wonderlic is a measure of cognitive ability, very similar to an IQ test. The big difference is that the test is made up of only 50 questions that test takers have 12 minutes to complete. That may sound easy, but the average score on the test is designed to be 20

The guy is a athletic freak but has zero upstairs...

Timed standardized tests are bullshit to begin with. He doesn't need to be able to multiply quickly to read a defense, learn a playbook, or run fast.

[threebag]

Thank God Patrick Mahomes three down a 24 on his wonderlic

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

i'm not saying that a athletic QB can't overcome below average smarts but his score is much lower than normal. I mean Vicks 20 is much better than 13. A 20 is close to average for all players but below average for QB's. Lamar is WAY below for a QB.

He just drops back, looks around for a second throws or ( most likely) runs and because he is arguably the best RB in football he gets a lot of yards. But not much upstairs.

I think he could be an amazing WR or RB, its too bad he does not make the switch to one of those positions, he could be generational. As a QB he will flame out as he just won't be able to process change when things get more complex.

I'm not a fan of running qbs but he's clearly a great fit for the ravens system. And they limit how much he needs to use his "upstairs." I don't think his body can keep taking these hits. But while he is physically capable and if the ravens keep playing great defense and run offense, why would they want a different qb? He's pretty dangerous in that zone. Unlike Vince Young, he does throw decently to what the defense gives him and has the right heart.