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Old 10-26-2020, 05:11 PM   #2
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Old 10-26-2020, 03:18 PM   #3
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Brady went to a team already with big talent and then they went super nova with FA's. There's no team in the NFC that will knock them out. If we make it we play them. Only hope is somehow they don't win the divison but that is not looking likely at the moment.
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Old 10-26-2020, 03:41 PM   #4
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Tampa has a lot more top tier talent due to picking at the top of every round for almost a decade. Patriots talent was gathered from drafting at the bottom of every round for a decade.
Regular season wins against mediocre teams doesn't mean shit when you are comparing these two. It has to be Super Bowls.
Brady is light years ahead of Cam. Bill is lights years ahead of Arians.
Anyone trying to compare and contrast Tom and Bill after this small of a sampling is doing both a disservice and is just trying to start shit. It is PB so I am not surprised.
This is a normal PB thread. Just like we all know how a Deberg thread is also.

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Old 10-26-2020, 04:02 PM   #5
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We should be glad he didn’t choose Vegas. He’d have made them a SB threat too.


Of course folks here would be all “Dude Vegas was loaded with talent. Top RB, great TE, and speed WR, I mean like bro who COULDNT make them 12-4”?
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:19 PM   #6
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We should be glad he didn’t choose Vegas. He’d have made them a SB threat too.


Of course folks here would be all “Dude Vegas was loaded with talent. Top RB, great TE, and speed WR, I mean like bro who COULDNT make them 12-4”?
Well they do have a better te. But not better wrs. Quite a bit better rb. But definitely at lot worse defense. Brady would have made them better though.
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Old 10-26-2020, 07:06 PM   #7
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One good thing is the shithead Pats fans are gone. They are done and Bill isn't going back the Bowl ever. Players will not line up and take pay cuts for them anymore. That day is dead. They are now regular ole nothing.
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:11 PM   #8
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All the evidence supports the idea that the coach is more important than the player, even the QB.

Consider this: It's 1999-2000. The six QBs drafted before Brady were: Chad Pennington, Giovanni Carmazzi (sp?),Chris Redman, Tee Martin, Marc Bulger and Spergon Wynn. could any one of those guys have filled in for the Patriots in 200-2004 or so?

At the very least, Marc Bulger, right?

Now same thing, but this time take away Belichick. Install Freddie Kitchens. Or Lane Kiffen. Hue Jackson. Chris Palmer. Romeo Crennel. And so on. Do they win a SB? Almost definitely not.

Football is the most coach-reliant sport in the world. Without decent coaching, the talent on the field has almost no chance of succeeding. Just see CLE last season with Kitchens. MIA when Gase was there. NYJ with Gase now. WAS with Jay Gruden. And so forth.

Meanwhile, a really good to great coach can take just decent talent and find ways to put together a winning season, or even get their team into the playoffs. Sometimes even SBs.
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:31 PM   #9
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AFootball is the most coach-reliant sport in the world. Without decent coaching, the talent on the field has almost no chance of succeeding. Just see CLE last season with Kitchens. MIA when Gase was there. NYJ with Gase now. WAS with Jay Gruden. And so forth.
That's a long list of teams with shit quarterbacks.
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:40 PM   #10
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That's a long list of teams with shit quarterbacks.
Didn't Gase have Tannehill? The same guy that's put up the same stats as Mahomes this season or whatever?

CLE is 4-2 with Stefanski, best CLE record in what, 20 years?

Alex Smith was statistically the best QB in football in 2017 with Andy Reid, but just slightly better than average in WAS.


Coaching is the key to winning.
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:41 PM   #11
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Didn't Gase have Tannehill? The same guy that's put up the same stats as Mahomes this season or whatever?

CLE is 4-2 with Stefanski, best CLE record in what, 20 years?

Alex Smith was statistically the best QB in football in 2017 with Andy Reid, but just slightly better than average in WAS.


Coaching is the key to winning.
In the regular season.

We're talking about winning championships.
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In the regular season.

We're talking about winning championships.
Your only example that a great qb wins a championship with a bad coach is 9 td 17 int peyton manning winning with the Broncos. I'm still waiting for a real example of a great qb leading a team with a bad coach.
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In the regular season.

We're talking about winning championships.
Well, to be fair, there's a bunch of average QBs that won a ring.

Just off the top of my head:

Phil Simms
Jeff Hostetler
Jim McMahon
Mark Rypien
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Nick Foles

And the list just goes on.

And there's another list of exceptional QBs that didn't win one, or only just the one.
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All the evidence supports the idea that the coach is more important than the player, even the QB.

Consider this: It's 1999-2000. The six QBs drafted before Brady were: Chad Pennington, Giovanni Carmazzi (sp?),Chris Redman, Tee Martin, Marc Bulger and Spergon Wynn. could any one of those guys have filled in for the Patriots in 200-2004 or so?

At the very least, Marc Bulger, right?

Now same thing, but this time take away Belichick. Install Freddie Kitchens. Or Lane Kiffen. Hue Jackson. Chris Palmer. Romeo Crennel. And so on. Do they win a SB? Almost definitely not.

Football is the most coach-reliant sport in the world. Without decent coaching, the talent on the field has almost no chance of succeeding. Just see CLE last season with Kitchens. MIA when Gase was there. NYJ with Gase now. WAS with Jay Gruden. And so forth.

Meanwhile, a really good to great coach can take just decent talent and find ways to put together a winning season, or even get their team into the playoffs. Sometimes even SBs.
Peyton Manning proves this not to be 100%
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Peyton Manning proves this not to be 100%
Manning was the offensive coach.
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