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Old 10-26-2020, 08:31 PM   #2
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AFootball is the most coach-reliant sport in the world. Without decent coaching, the talent on the field has almost no chance of succeeding. Just see CLE last season with Kitchens. MIA when Gase was there. NYJ with Gase now. WAS with Jay Gruden. And so forth.
That's a long list of teams with shit quarterbacks.
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:40 PM   #3
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That's a long list of teams with shit quarterbacks.
Didn't Gase have Tannehill? The same guy that's put up the same stats as Mahomes this season or whatever?

CLE is 4-2 with Stefanski, best CLE record in what, 20 years?

Alex Smith was statistically the best QB in football in 2017 with Andy Reid, but just slightly better than average in WAS.


Coaching is the key to winning.
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:41 PM   #4
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Didn't Gase have Tannehill? The same guy that's put up the same stats as Mahomes this season or whatever?

CLE is 4-2 with Stefanski, best CLE record in what, 20 years?

Alex Smith was statistically the best QB in football in 2017 with Andy Reid, but just slightly better than average in WAS.


Coaching is the key to winning.
In the regular season.

We're talking about winning championships.
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:47 PM   #5
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In the regular season.

We're talking about winning championships.
Your only example that a great qb wins a championship with a bad coach is 9 td 17 int peyton manning winning with the Broncos. I'm still waiting for a real example of a great qb leading a team with a bad coach.
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Old 10-26-2020, 09:09 PM   #6
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Your only example that a great qb wins a championship with a bad coach is 9 td 17 int peyton manning winning with the Broncos. I'm still waiting for a real example of a great qb leading a team with a bad coach.
Mike McCarthy won one with Aaron Rodgers. Mike McCarthy is a terrible head coach.
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Old 10-26-2020, 09:35 PM   #7
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Mike McCarthy won one with Aaron Rodgers. Mike McCarthy is a terrible head coach.
I wondered if you'd go there. I agree.

Now. Eli manning, Joe Flacco, 9 td on the season at one point benched peyton manning, and nick foles have all won super bowls since the last time a great qb won with a terrible coach.
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Old 10-26-2020, 09:32 PM   #8
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Your only example that a great qb wins a championship with a bad coach is 9 td 17 int peyton manning winning with the Broncos. I'm still waiting for a real example of a great qb leading a team with a bad coach.
George Seifert?
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Old 10-26-2020, 09:39 PM   #9
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George Seifert?
Was he Steve youngs super bowl winning coach? All I know is he's a former 49ers coach.
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Old 10-31-2020, 05:13 PM   #10
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Your only example that a great qb wins a championship with a bad coach is 9 td 17 int peyton manning winning with the Broncos. I'm still waiting for a real example of a great qb leading a team with a bad coach.
It really depends on how you're defining "bad coach". Manning's already been mentioned, as have Rodgers and Young, so I'll skip them. But I'll toss out a couple more elite QBs who won in the full free agency era with coaching that's definitely not looked back upon as all world.

Aikman (Switzer)
Favre (Holmgren)
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Old 10-31-2020, 05:39 PM   #11
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It really depends on how you're defining "bad coach". Manning's already been mentioned, as have Rodgers and Young, so I'll skip them. But I'll toss out a couple more elite QBs who won in the full free agency era with coaching that's definitely not looked back upon as all world.

Aikman (Switzer)
Favre (Holmgren)
You're maybe being a bit hard on Holmgren, tho

Only getting 1 title after all those years with Favre seems sketchy for sure, but he also won a shitload of games between Green Bay and SEA, and his coaching tree is full of highlights
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In the regular season.

We're talking about winning championships.
Well, to be fair, there's a bunch of average QBs that won a ring.

Just off the top of my head:

Phil Simms
Jeff Hostetler
Jim McMahon
Mark Rypien
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Nick Foles

And the list just goes on.

And there's another list of exceptional QBs that didn't win one, or only just the one.
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All the evidence supports the idea that the coach is more important than the player, even the QB.

Consider this: It's 1999-2000. The six QBs drafted before Brady were: Chad Pennington, Giovanni Carmazzi (sp?),Chris Redman, Tee Martin, Marc Bulger and Spergon Wynn. could any one of those guys have filled in for the Patriots in 200-2004 or so?

At the very least, Marc Bulger, right?

Now same thing, but this time take away Belichick. Install Freddie Kitchens. Or Lane Kiffen. Hue Jackson. Chris Palmer. Romeo Crennel. And so on. Do they win a SB? Almost definitely not.

Football is the most coach-reliant sport in the world. Without decent coaching, the talent on the field has almost no chance of succeeding. Just see CLE last season with Kitchens. MIA when Gase was there. NYJ with Gase now. WAS with Jay Gruden. And so forth.

Meanwhile, a really good to great coach can take just decent talent and find ways to put together a winning season, or even get their team into the playoffs. Sometimes even SBs.
Peyton Manning proves this not to be 100%
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Peyton Manning proves this not to be 100%
Manning was the offensive coach.
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