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[Papachief]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Yes, better players. No clue how Bryson could be considered an afterthought considering he just contended at Augusta and came 4th at the PGA last year. Any time he's been healthy over the past 5 years he's been a threat to win tournaments.

You should probably be familiar with Joaquin Niemann as he's a borderline top 10 player in the world right now. Tyrell Hatton is easily a top 20 guy as well and just finished top 10 at the Masters. Talor Gooch was also a top 30 guy before he left and he's won 3 times on LIV since then.

They have a whole bunch of other guys who could also easily be classified as top 50 players (Reed, Oosthuizen, Ancer, Meronk, Burmester) considering where they were ranked when they left and that isn't even getting into the aging veterans who can still win on a good week (DJ and Sergio stand out in that regard).

It might even be argued that LIV has a third of the top 50 players in the world at this point (and the split is going to become even more palpable when they inevitably get guys like Rory or Hovland next). Any non-signature PGAT event doesn't have fields anywhere close to as good as this.

No disrespect but I don’t get your logic that the LIV tour has better players.

The PGA has 32 of the top 50. 14 of the top 20. You mention guys like Gootch,Ancer,Neumann, and Hatton who have 5 wins in 520 tournaments on the PGA tour. They have way more combined wins now on LIV. That alone shows me the competition is weaker. Sergio hasn’t been competitive on the PGA tour since his Masters win in 2017. Dustin really hasn’t been much on the PGA tour since 2020.
We will just have to disagree on who has the better players. I just don’t see it.
What I really hate is the 54 holes no cut. All that does is allow the lesser players more of an opportunity to stick around with no pressure and guaranteed money. It’s like MLB going to 7 innings or the NFL going to 3 quarters. Golf was special because you had to earn your money to stay on tour.
But either way, unless they eventually join together I think golf will eventually lose viewership and that’s not good for the game.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Papachief

No disrespect but I don’t get your logic that the LIV tour has better players.

The PGA has 32 of the top 50. 14 of the top 20. You mention guys like Gootch,Ancer,Neumann, and Hatton who have 5 wins in 520 tournaments on the PGA tour. They have way more combined wins now on LIV. That alone shows me the competition is weaker. Sergio hasn’t been competitive on the PGA tour since his Masters win in 2017. Dustin really hasn’t been much on the PGA tour since 2020.
We will just have to disagree on who has the better players. I just don’t see it.
What I really hate is the 54 holes no cut. All that does is allow the lesser players more of an opportunity to stick around with no pressure and guaranteed money. It’s like MLB going to 7 innings or the NFL going to 3 quarters. Golf was special because you had to earn your money to stay on tour.
But either way, unless they eventually join together I think golf will eventually lose viewership and that’s not good for the game.

I didn’t say anywhere that LIV had better players. I said they have enough good players now that their events are superior to any non-signature PGAT event (look no further than the 3 events the PGAT has prior to the Masters in the Valspar, Houston, and Texas Opens with awful fields with very few quality players). Those events resemble something closer to a lesser qualifying tour at this point with guys ranked from 50-200. It is no mystery why ratings are falling for those.

And 54 holes just doesn’t bother me at all. Are you (or anybody else) really watching golf on a Friday during a non-major championship? Because I’m not. I agree on the cut, though, that does add a level of competition that LIV doesn’t have.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Yes, better players. No clue how Bryson could be considered an afterthought considering he just contended at Augusta and came 4th at the PGA last year. Any time he's been healthy over the past 5 years he's been a threat to win tournaments.

You should probably be familiar with Joaquin Niemann as he's a borderline top 10 player in the world right now. Tyrell Hatton is easily a top 20 guy as well and just finished top 10 at the Masters. Talor Gooch was also a top 30 guy before he left and he's won 3 times on LIV since then.

They have a whole bunch of other guys who could also easily be classified as top 50 players (Reed, Oosthuizen, Ancer, Meronk, Burmester) considering where they were ranked when they left and that isn't even getting into the aging veterans who can still win on a good week (DJ and Sergio stand out in that regard).

It might even be argued that LIV has a third of the top 50 players in the world at this point (and the split is going to become even more palpable when they inevitably get guys like Rory or Hovland next). Any non-signature PGAT event doesn't have fields anywhere close to as good as this.

This is an absolutely absurd take.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is an absolutely absurd take.

It’s not a take. They have a third of the top 50 players in the world at this point (just look at the OWGR of the guys when they grabbed them) and they’re gonna continue buying off other top players off the tour until the PGAT completes the merger.