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07-15-2022, 07:20 AM | #17 |
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Give me a plethora of #2 type weapons and with Mahomes and Andy, I'll make due.
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07-15-2022, 12:40 PM | #18 |
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2. Pass rush1 (+ if it is interior because it gives you a leg up) In my mind those are the only positions where I emphasize top talent over very good depth. Basically it is an arms race between (pass rush and protection) and (targets vs coverage). Decent OL comes cheaper in FA and later in the draft, so other than having an at least average LT, I emphasize that the least of the arms race positions. I emphasize depth in targets, coverage, and pass rush. You need to be at least 2 deep in all of these, plus upcoming talent or role players that can contribute. Does anyone think having 5 DB that are solid is too many? Two 10+ sack men is the bare minimum to have a legit pass rush. I think you have to be able to count on your #3 and #4 receivers to move the chains. |
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07-15-2022, 01:56 PM | #19 | |
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If Belichick is doing something, we might want to consider following suit. But yeah, conventional wisdom says get your rusher. |
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07-15-2022, 03:16 PM | #20 | |
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I think letting Ward walk was an enormous mistake because he was as elite as CBs get in today's NFL. Corners as good as Ward are very hard to find and he was quickly scooped up. I'm hoping the young kids make up for it. I do really like McDuffie, but he likely isn't stepping in and replacing what KC had on day 1. All that said, I do value a pass rusher slightly higher. I think you have to have a guy that can disrupt the QB's clock, and if you don't then you're very much playing at a disadvantage unless you assemble a roster than can cover everyone. Easier said than done against teams like Cincinnati, for example. |
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07-15-2022, 07:11 PM | #21 | |
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07-15-2022, 08:18 PM | #23 | |
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07-15-2022, 10:07 PM | #24 | |
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You're not allowed to play cover anymore. Look at what Chase did to Ward. Draft 'em, develop, and let someone else pay 'em Rinse and repeat The only caviat being versatile guys as far as scheme fit/inside/outside corner/safety types. Sneed I might pay. McDuffie has the sort of varied skillset that might be more than just an outside corner. There is no such thing as a shutdown corner anymore. Let someone else pay for the myth Rush the passer, stuff the run. Confuse with scheme and hope for the best. |
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07-16-2022, 08:09 PM | #25 | |
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Chase did get Ward on the sideline in the first matchup. Not the same deal the 2nd time around. When Ward shut Chase down in round 2 by altering how he used the sideline to his advantage, they exploited the slot matchup. That is reason and exhibit A on why you need good corners 3 deep. You don't need stars 3 deep, but you can't be as weak as the Chiefs were after Ward and Sneed. No Ward is likely going to be a problem early on this year unless Sneed steps up another notch and the rookies play well. |
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07-16-2022, 08:10 PM | #26 | |
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07-17-2022, 11:06 AM | #27 | |
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Look at what the Patriots did to us in 2018 with below average rushers? Look at what we did to Josh Allen in the 2020 championship game to confuse him? That’s why I think coverage is more important if you had to choose.it’s rare to have both |
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07-18-2022, 11:03 AM | #28 | |
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But give me 3 viable above average CBs at the price of a #1, 2 and fill-in 3, and I'm gonna be a happy camper. Secondary depth is more important than it's top end to me. But like you, I think Ward at his price was someone we should've brought back because that's exactly the sort of solid value #2 sort you can add/extend another guy just like him to and then draft your 3 and 4 to get your full DB set for around $28 million or so? Yeah - I'm down with that. Not having a hole in your secondary {coughcough}Mike Hughes{/cough} is more important than having Jalen Ramsey out there. And the Bengals regular season loss vs. the Bills playoff win provides both sides of that coin. No DB in the world shuts down Chase that day. Ward was constantly in his pocket and it just didn't matter. Chase was locked in and when that happens your DB loses. But against the Bills, Allen just kept dropping back, finding Hughes and attacking the inevitable misstep. And made it look EASY. Whereas Chase was making miracles happen out there. Just keep the easy shit from happening and I'll live with the occasional miracle. |
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07-18-2022, 11:21 AM | #29 |
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Teams are too good at finding any potential weakness in today's league, paired wiht the inability for a star in the secondary to make huge differences due to the rules.
You need a secondary full of B players atleast. You can't have an A+ guy at corner with a ton of C- players or worse elsewhere. Over the season, you guys run into to many teams that can take advantage of it. Defense in today's league is about having as many good players as you can or more less, having fewer average or worse guys. |
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Davis is a fine player, don't get me wrong. Very fast at least. But on a team with Diggs, Beasley and Sanders, we got eviscerated by Gabrial Davis. And if we'd have had Deion Sanders and Ed Reed on the other side of him, it wouldn't have made a difference. Because Hughes just couldn't get out of his own goddamn way. My memory is that he was pretty much singularly responsible for 3 TDs that day. You just can't have that. I'm not even sure I agree completely that you need to avoid average players - average players are fine if they're playing average football. But you can't have guys out there tripping over their feet on every drive like the Chiefs had that day. That was a total debacle. |
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