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07-27-2021, 03:46 PM | #1966 | |
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There’s not a noticeable difference between Fant and the guys in your tier 2. Biggest difference I can see is Hock and Andrews had Stafford and Lamar Jackson throwing to them while Fant has had Lock and some other trash cans. |
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07-27-2021, 04:08 PM | #1967 | |
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And there’s been a clear difference in Hockenson and Fant since they played together at Iowa. You literally base all of your football takes on statistics, so I knew you’d argue that Fant is on Hock’s level, but he never has been to anybody that has watched them both play. As for the QB’s they’ve played with, I don’t really think that makes the difference that you are claiming it does. It’s not like the WR position. Also, it’s not like Lamar is a great thrower by any means. Hockenson might’ve had Stafford, but he was really held back last year by Bevell who doesn’t seem to value the TE position in his offense. Last edited by staylor26; 07-27-2021 at 04:13 PM.. |
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07-27-2021, 05:31 PM | #1968 | |
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Tonyan and Hockenson aren’t as good as they are without their QB’s while Fant is not as good statistically with the trash they’ve had but would be way better with a QB like Rodgers. |
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07-27-2021, 05:50 PM | #1969 | |
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Of course the QB makes a difference lol that's a shit take |
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07-27-2021, 05:52 PM | #1970 | |
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Even a guy like Lamar who's not a great passer. He likes the middle of the field and the threat of him taking off on any play means far more opportunities for a guy like Andrews to find himself open. |
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07-27-2021, 06:19 PM | #1971 | |
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Stats from Lamar’s MVP year said he was on the level of elite QB’s. Judging by stats only is absolutely more bogus than the eye test. You thought Blake Bortles was worthy of being a top 100 player because he threw 30 TD’s while ignoring the context that I provided to argue otherwise. You have no ****ing clue what you’re talking about half the time because your takes are 100% based on stats. I’m not saying stats are irrelevant, but context and the eye test matter too. Also, did mediocre QB play in Denver stop Sutton from having 1,112 yards and 6 TD’s in 2019? I love how stats are the ball all and end all for you but you’re completely ignoring that Mark Andrews best season is way better than anything Fant’s done so far in his career. I never said QB’s don’t have make a difference at all, I just don’t think it’s the same for TE’s as it is for WR’s. The average NFL QB can get the ball to a good TE. The difference in Kelce’s stats with Smith and Mahomes is nowhere near the difference in the QB’s themselves. We saw Hockenson and Fant play on the same ****ing team. I’m not saying that Hockenson is in a different stratosphere, but he’s absolutely the better player and has been since their days in college. And again, I even said that Fant could easily be in that tier with Hock and Andrews after this season. He’s just not there yet, and anybody that has a clue knows those guys are better. For all the talk about Fant being comparable to those guys in terms of productivity, you can say the same thing about the guys I put him with in tier 3, so by your logic everybody outside of the top 3 is pretty much the same. Last edited by staylor26; 07-27-2021 at 06:40 PM.. |
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07-27-2021, 06:28 PM | #1972 | |
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And GB hasn’t had good TE play for most of Rodger’s career. To dismiss what Tonyan did last year because of Rodgers is ****ing stupid. “Tyreek and Kelce aren’t as good as they are without their QB” “Davante Adams isn’t as good as he is without his QB” “Gronk isn’t as good as he is without Brady” Demaryius Thomas was still a young developing player when Manning got there. It was only year 3 for him, and anybody that followed him in college and in the draft would know that he was raw coming out. Last edited by staylor26; 07-27-2021 at 06:39 PM.. |
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07-27-2021, 06:40 PM | #1973 | |
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The only difference between Andrews and Fant is that Andrews has the luxury of playing with a guy who's capable of playing like the MVP. Swap the two and Fant is the one putting up 1,000 yards and 10 TDs. |
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07-27-2021, 06:43 PM | #1974 | |
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Again, what stopped Courtland Sutton from getting held back by Denver’s QB play in 2019 where he had 1,112 yards and 6 TD’s? Why were Kelce’s numbers with Alex similar to his numbers with Mahomes? The difference in the stats is nowhere near the difference in QB. |
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07-27-2021, 07:01 PM | #1975 |
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Because Alex never threw the ball to a wide receiver. I’ll bet Tyreek’s stats would have been quite different if Smith were throwing to him.
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07-27-2021, 07:02 PM | #1976 |
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07-27-2021, 07:21 PM | #1977 |
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07-27-2021, 09:47 PM | #1978 | |
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Tyreek was really good with Alex, but just in his first year with Patrick he had 17 yards average PER CATCH. His stats exploded. And they have been way better with Patrick. Even 2019 when he was hurt he was still on pace to have an incredible year. Good QB’s make players great. It’s not rocket science |
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07-28-2021, 07:18 AM | #1979 | |
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And Kelce's numbers have changed pretty significantly since Mahomes took over: In the three full seasons he started with Alex he averaged 80 catches, just over 1,000 yards and 6 TDs. On average, 49 receptions went for 1st downs. In three full seasons with Mahomes, he averages 101 catches, 1,327 yards and 9 TDs. On average, 73 of those receptions go for 1st downs. His catch percentage has gone up with Mahomes, his yards per target are up with Mahomes, his yards per catch are up with Mahomes. He went from a guy who was a really good TE but a clear-cut second to Gronk with Alex to smashing TE receiving records and a Hall of Fame lock with Mahomie. |
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07-28-2021, 07:30 AM | #1980 | |
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We make thousands of posts about how bad the Broncos are mainly because of the shitty QB carousel they've been on since Manning left and in the same breath try to argue that QB doesn't make that much of a difference. |
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