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[mkp785]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Imagine being this butthurt about a football discussion



The fact that Lamar Jackson is the “MVP” and crown jewel of this class speaks volumes.

I'm not butthurt and I didn't say I wanted you to to die. A simple knock to wake you up would suffice. I don't wish death on anyone- maybe Tom Brady.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Imagine being this butthurt about a football discussion



The fact that Lamar Jackson is the “MVP” and crown jewel of this class speaks volumes.

Look at the QB classes in general over the years. Lamar is better than the majority of them.

He’s not Patrick but he was a very good draft pick

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Look at the QB classes in general over the years. Lamar is better than the majority of them.

He’s not Patrick but he was a very good draft pick

Yea, and it still doesn’t make it a good draft class overall. Just look at the list of guys I posted drafted AFTER the 1st round in 2017.

I didn’t even have to mention ****ing Mahomes and Watson, and there’s still a clear/significant difference in the two draft classes.

2018 absolutely sucked outside of the top 40 picks, whether you guys get that or not.

Does that mean Veach couldn’t have done better? Absolutely not. Of course he could have. We got absolutely nothing out of Speaks, and I was pounding the table for Bates at the time, so I obviously beleive we could’ve done better.

But like I also pointed out, from the Speaks pick to the Nnadi pick, there’s a whole lot of shit, and Nnadi was easily better than 75-80% of the guys that went in between those picks.

Point being, it could’ve been even worse considering how bad that draft was outside of those top 40 or so.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Yea, and it still doesn’t make it a good draft class overall. Just look at the list of guys I posted drafted AFTER the 1st round in 2017.

I didn’t even have to mention ****ing Mahomes and Watson, and there’s still a clear/significant difference in the two draft classes.

2018 absolutely sucked outside of the top 40 picks, whether you guys get that or not.

Does that mean Veach couldn’t have done better? Absolutely not. Of course he could have. We got absolutely nothing out of Speaks, and I was pounding the table for Bates at the time, so I obviously beleive we could’ve done better.

But like I also pointed out, from the Speaks pick to the Nnadi pick, there’s a whole lot of shit, and Nnadi was easily better than 75-80% of the guys that went in between those picks.

Point being, it could’ve been even worse considering how bad that draft was outside of those top 40 or so.

I would say 2018 is more common than the outlier. Looking back on many class the last 7 years you see the drop off from early 2nd rd on.

2019 appears to be an outlier simply bc of the insane WR class. Brown, Metcalf and Hardman really bolstered the strength of that 2nd rd. But bad drafts like 2013 had that too with Kelce and Bahktiari as 3rd rd picks.

Veach just had a bad draft. Shit happens and nobody is perfect. We’re still paying for the Speaks miss at DE but this is common for every single team.

That’s what makes winning in the NFL so hard

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I would say 2018 is more common than the outlier. Looking back on many class the last 7 years you see the drop off from early 2nd rd on.

2019 appears to be an outlier simply bc of the insane WR class. Brown, Metcalf and Hardman really bolstered the strength of that 2nd rd. But bad drafts like 2013 had that too with Kelce and Bahktiari as 3rd rd picks.

Veach just had a bad draft. Shit happens and nobody is perfect. We’re still paying for the Speaks miss at DE but this is common for every single team.

That’s what makes winning in the NFL so hard

2019 AND 2017 were MUCH better outside of the 1st round, and it’s not even really close.

That list I came up with is far longer and better than the list that you two provided for 2018.

It’s ok to say that Veach could’ve done better while also acknowledging that the talent pool wasn’t very good.