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'Godzilla vs. Kong' Likely the Latest Tentpole to Go to a Streamer
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10-01-2021, 10:58 AM | #136 |
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The problem with nearly all of the giant monster movies is that they are boring. A good chunk of the movie is going to be focused on humans due to budgetary reasons but the writers rarely come up with anything interesting for them to do.
Another problem is that special effects just aren't that special anymore. Seeing King Kong fight dinosaurs and climb the Empire State building in 1933 had to be mind blowing. Seeing a beautifully rendered CGI Godzilla fight a beautifully rendered CGI Kong in a beautifully rendered CGI Tokyo is...boring. Too many movies have billion dollar effects budgets and it's made the audience jaded. Why rehash Gojira 1954? Older movies basically all had the same plot - monster pops up, wrecks some shit, boring humans screw around for 80 minutes until they come up with a plan monster is defeated. Who needs another MCU? Giant angry monsters don't have a lot of personality and god knows the writers aren't going to put any effort into creating interesting human characters of even a semi-coherent storyline so why bother? They should try doing something different, I think. Give me a giant monster movie in a futuristic sci-fi setting. Give me a an alternate history story about Godzilla being awakened during WW2. Give me a post apocalyptic story about a world decimated by kaiju. Give me a space opera story retelling of Moby Dick with King Ghidorah in place of the whale. Give me a mythological quest story with all the classic gods and monsters replaced with kaiju. |
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10-01-2021, 11:11 AM | #137 |
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10-01-2021, 11:12 AM | #138 | |
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But the JPB's of the world will still be in here bitching about that too. It's a monster movie. There's certain obstacles in the writing that you just can't get away from. Then you'll have your traditionalists bitching about the retcon. |
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10-01-2021, 11:12 AM | #139 | |
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I like bad movies. I don't like bad movies that are boring. Making them fun is the key. Edit: I'm a broken record on this topic. An old post from several years ago when another Godzilla flick was coming out: Quote:
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10-01-2021, 11:15 AM | #140 | |
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Lets destroy some cities, have some badass monster battles, some kick ass 'splosions and call it a day. |
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10-01-2021, 11:27 AM | #141 | |
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I think it would help if the fight scenes were more creative. Seeing Godzilla smash a building for the millionth time is like watching a wrestling match from the 1950s. You need the spectacle of unique things getting destroyed in an interesting ways. And If you are going to show "ordinary" things being destroyed I think it would help to show those things from a human pov. That's something that is already done of course, but It's rarely done well. You need a horror/suspense style mindset to really put those scenes across. |
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10-01-2021, 11:51 AM | #142 |
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I've actually thought Legendary has done a great job of spicing up these monster battles.
In Godzilla (2014) they had the parachuting scene with the red smoke which was so well done. Plus, I mean, the Atomic Breath down the throat of the MUTO? ****ing awesome. I thought they did a great job of making the Titans seem almost mythical in King of the Monsters as well. All of those monster fights were top notch. Godzilla vs Kong was pretty standard but I did really enjoy the part where they had Godzilla on all fours kind of slithering toward Kong like a lizard. |
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10-01-2021, 12:57 PM | #143 |
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I love these, and I will always love them. Some more than others- but they are primarily made for 12 year olds. That the 'science' doesn't hold up to scrutiny is...well...unimportant.
My only gripe is that in the past few films GODZILLA, the 'King of the Monsters', always seems to barely win his battles without some sort of assistance / intervention. I mean, gah-damn... can't they have one or two fights where he rips shit and straight fux bad guys up without almost dying-- showing everyone why...you know...he's the Alpha kaiju? Small gripe. |
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10-01-2021, 01:17 PM | #144 | |
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It's pretty clear that none of the terrestrial Titans are able to stand up against him. He wrecked the MUTOs, Kong, and Rhodan plus Mothra clearly defers to him. |
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10-01-2021, 03:12 PM | #145 |
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Against the MUTOs, right after he smoked the second one— he collapsed. “Oh noes, is Godzilla dead?”. then he slowly regains consciousness, and ambles away.
Hey- I’m heavily nitpicking, lol. |
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10-01-2021, 03:22 PM | #146 |
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How the **** is this movie boring? Outside of those three dipshits sneaking into whatever the **** it's called that made Mechagodzilla it was acceptable, and the action scenes between the monsters was very well done.
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10-01-2021, 06:14 PM | #147 | |
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2014 was good because Edwards had done Monsters, and had an idea of what he was doing. He focused largely on developing a sense of wonder at the size of the creatures, and their impact, and it worked. But it came at the expense of other things, rather than along with them. Some obvious examples of real problems in that movie are:
That sort of stuff was relatively easy to overlook since it was the first Godzilla we'd had in a while, but it was still there. |
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10-08-2021, 04:55 PM | #148 | |
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And I thought GVK was perfect at keeping the action/excitement up. If you hated the plot or B plot I don't blame you. If you hated the leads I don't blame you. I can't understand the "lack of action" gripe though. And I'm with someone else in this thread who mentioned doing something new. Hell, if you know your big bad is going to be cheese hire someone like Nick Cage, Gary Oldman, or Dennis Hopper to just ham it up. Own going over the top. Have 11 use her Stranger Things powers to "talk" to Godzilla like in the Toho movies. Have a few cameos from 70's and 80's sci fi and horror TV play bit roles (like Stan Lee did in the MCU.) I guess I'm saying quit "trying" to make a blockbuster and just have fun. Enjoy the genre... |
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10-08-2021, 10:55 PM | #149 | ||
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I'm not really sure what you mean with this. Quote:
Then they end up combining a terrible version of the Destoroyah story line with a terrible version of the Xillien story line (minus the aliens), yet keeping the idea that Ghidorah comes from space, and ****ing everything up 6 ways from Sunday. |
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