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Old 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM  
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****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread****
They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.
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Old 12-28-2023, 12:56 PM   #10621
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May be the hottest of hot takes here but if Bieniemy comes available, I’d fire Andy Reid and make him the head coach
You'd hire a guy no other franchise wants to hire as head coach?

Never mind the "fire Reid" part.
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Old 12-28-2023, 12:58 PM   #10622
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get the offense together and have them all micro dose

at least they would get on the same page
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Old 12-28-2023, 12:58 PM   #10623
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I get your point, but he's right about the poor coaching.
Correct.

It was a total organizational fail.

From the front office and coaching.

Dumb strategy AND poor execution.
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Old 12-28-2023, 01:02 PM   #10624
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May be the hottest of hot takes here but if Bieniemy comes available, I’d fire Andy Reid and make him the head coach
The definition of "hottest" is not "completely moronic."
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Old 12-28-2023, 01:08 PM   #10625
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Nagys chicago offense was Andy’s offense

It’s the Alex smith offense for various reasons
Nagy has been doing the same horizontal offense that he did in Chicago that Andy did with Alex in 2014 bc of talent issues at WR and QB along with OL issues.

People need to watch the 2017 Chiefs when Nagy was OC. Alex had a career year and we went bombs away all year long

It's almost like talent matters
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Old 12-28-2023, 01:09 PM   #10626
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May be the hottest of hot takes here but if Bieniemy comes available, I’d fire Andy Reid and make him the head coach
What in tardnation is going on here?
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Old 12-28-2023, 01:11 PM   #10627
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Nope. He [Juju] was a playable WR that could soak up targets and stabilized the offense because he was a professional. They decided professionals not needed.

He was a JAG outside but better than average in the slot where he had a skillset of value that teams would pay for.

So NFL teams had his skillset valued at around 10 million a year for his prior level of competence. We knew he would be the #1 WR going into last year. There was no one we could point to this year.

Who is worth 10 million on this team as a veteran now?

No one.
I don't know about you specifically, but in the off season there wasn't a lot of love for bringing JuJu back at his market rate.

A lot of it no doubt had to do with concerns about his knee. A big deal, since Toney already came with big injury concerns and at that time he was expected to contribute when healthy.

If JuJu didn't have injury concerns, presumably he would have gotten paid more than 10 million a year.

In his first 8 weeks he totaled around 90 yards receiving. Sounds like a KC WR1.

He's had 13 games with less than 35 yards. I'm sure some of it is crappy QB.
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Old 12-28-2023, 01:16 PM   #10628
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I don't know about you specifically, but in the off season there wasn't a lot of love for bringing JuJu back at his market rate.

A lot of it no doubt had to do with concerns about his knee. A big deal, since Toney already came with big injury concerns and at that time he was expected to contribute when healthy.

If JuJu didn't have injury concerns, presumably he would have gotten paid more than 10 million a year.

In his first 8 weeks he totaled around 90 yards receiving. Sounds like a KC WR1.

It doesn't matter if you don't bring him back but if you let your #1 WR walk, you replace him.

They didn't bother and took the $$$$ instead and used it to buy defensive depth players.

How do you go into a prime SB contending year and just remove $$$ from a weak WR room?

How do you not even call DeAndre Hopkins? Football gods dropped him off for Veach as the perfect JuJu replacement and he didn't bother.

The Veach regime has been mismanaging the WR room for years and their own mistakes and errors all caught them this year.
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Old 12-28-2023, 01:20 PM   #10629
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But JuJu was a pro that knew his role and could run a route, not to mention catch the damned ball when it hit him in the hands. This squad doesn't even have that, and it's spilled over to Kelce now as well.
Nobody's arguing that.

But the version of Juju in KC was a JAG. Not special. Just A Guy.

The rest of the group should not have had a big problem in year two of the offense picking up the slack. The fact that they all collectively regressed to completely unplayable is bizarre.
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Old 12-28-2023, 01:24 PM   #10630
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Rice over JJSS in 2023 is undoubtedly an upgrade. Juju can't play regularly anymore and even at the end of the season his production was slipping drastically.

3 for 27
2 for 21
2 for 35
2 for 29
1 for 7

That's his production from Christmas Eve up to the Super Bowl against the Eagles last year. I'm sorry, but he absolutely wasn't this core piece that we just can't function without. He was fine in the Super Bowl for that one drive but that was about all JJSS provided as far as being an impact player for a month and a half at that point.
Rice’s route tree is almost exclusively bubble screens.

When the Chiefs try to use him on more downfield routes, he hasn’t been able to produce… see last week.

That’s the difference between a rookie WR and a veteran.

No one is suggesting the Chiefs should have brought back JJSS to be that veteran presence… but to not replace him with another veteran WR (DeAndre Hopkins) was an epic fail by Veach.
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Old 12-28-2023, 01:25 PM   #10631
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Nobody's arguing that.

But the version of Juju in KC was a JAG. Not special. Just A Guy.

The rest of the group should not have had a big problem in year two of the offense picking up the slack. The fact that they all collectively regressed to completely unplayable is bizarre.
If it were just one guy you could see it as an outlier. It's the entire room sans Rice. They are all remarkably worse than last season. It has to be coaching....right?
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Old 12-28-2023, 01:30 PM   #10632
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Nagy has been doing the same horizontal offense that he did in Chicago that Andy did with Alex in 2014 bc of talent issues at WR and QB along with OL issues.

People need to watch the 2017 Chiefs when Nagy was OC. Alex had a career year and we went bombs away all year long

It's almost like talent matters
If only they could have seen what was right in front of their faces the entire offseason and into training camp instead of heaping too much faith (and by extension, pressure) on to Mahomes and then hoping for the best.....

Someone made the comparison with our receivers this year to what happened against the Bucs in the SuperBowl and how they completely revamped everything in one offseason. We'll see if it happens that way again, but I have my doubts with all the potential quality departures we're facing on the defense.
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Old 12-28-2023, 01:38 PM   #10633
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Old 12-28-2023, 01:40 PM   #10634
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It's week 17. If they haven't "worked through all that" by now, it ain't gonna happen.
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Old 12-28-2023, 01:44 PM   #10635
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Nobody's arguing that.

But the version of Juju in KC was a JAG. Not special. Just A Guy.

The rest of the group should not have had a big problem in year two of the offense picking up the slack. The fact that they all collectively regressed to completely unplayable is bizarre.
The KC version of JuJu was worth 10 million a year.

What other veteran on this team is worth that?


They needed to replace the money with someone else as a vet. They didn't even try.
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