****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread****

[Sofa King]

They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.

[RunKC]

They can't stop going to Toney. Alongside Kelce and Rice, he's other receiving threat that is dangerous on YAC.

I think they need to set their playoff offense around Kelce, Rice and Pacheco with McKinnon, Toney and Hardman sprinkled in the backfield/gadget plays.

For some reason the offense has stopped running those plays. Hey sweeps, the jet toss, screens, etc.

Keep mixing Toney in the backfield and set up those easy plays for him to act as a returner.

[Rainbarrel]

The WR room has become what the defense was. Play good enough until Mahomes and Kelce magic saved us. Rice isn't aware of this affliction

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by RunKC

They can't stop going to Toney. Alongside Kelce and Rice, he's other receiving threat that is dangerous on YAC.

I think they need to set their playoff offense around Kelce, Rice and Pacheco with McKinnon, Toney and Hardman sprinkled in the backfield/gadget plays.

For some reason the offense has stopped running those plays. Hey sweeps, the jet toss, screens, etc.

Keep mixing Toney in the backfield and set up those easy plays for him to act as a returner.

I think it's because the defense no longer has to honor anything downfield so they're crowding. Jet sweeps and stuff take too long. They're still doing tons of quick WR screens and stuff.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I think it's because the defense no longer has to honor anything downfield so they're crowding. Jet sweeps and stuff take too long. They're still doing tons of quick WR screens and stuff.

Last season, the Chiefs had more plays over 20 yards than any other team.

You'd think they revamped the entire receiving corps and Kelce retired. But no, the personnel is largely the same. Even the biggest pessimists didn't envision this offense would turn into dink and dunk. It's like the entire DNA of this team turned into another organization known for slow starts, poor 4th quarters, penalties, turnovers, drops.

Or maybe defenses have improved that much in the last year.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But it doesn’t at all hang together why they wouldn’t have gotten a bandaid knowing Reid doesn’t like playing rookies. I get the draft strategy and can’t be mad about getting rice. But what do we do at other positions? We drafted a first round DE and got a bandaid in omenihu. We paid jawaan Taylor to play LT and instead of playing wanya at RT, we bandaided with Donovan smith. In each of these instances we eased our rookie in. But at WR, the position where Reid is notoriously resistant to playing rookies, we didn’t?

So we obviously built our plans as if rashee wasn’t going to be a primary option this year. We should have known skyy at best projected as more a slot option and Mvs was purely a clearout guy. Which means we centered our entire strategy around Toney being a wr1 even given his injury history. Because there is nobody on this roster other than rice who ever projected to be a #1 option or target eater. That is somewhat self scouting but I think we also got a little cute thinking we had found a loophole where we can save a lot of money by not spending a fortune on WRs. And last years success reinforced that belief. But no matter, we learn from it and we won’t make that mistake next year

As much as we want to say we didn’t see it coming, we should have. Even if we thought they had potential We should’ve known the chemistry implications of constant rotations and changing depth charts and the hole at the top of the depth chart was obvious even if we are shocked by regression of everyone else in the middle/bottom.

The critical mistake was subtracting $$$$ from an already weak position group and not replacing. And no, Rice is not a direct replacement of JuJu. That was what people came up with later when Rice looked good.

We needed at least 1 vet chain mover. Many of us brought this up in FA, then early season, then the trade deadline.

And all the response was no need. Someone that has never done that before will emerge. So even if Rice gets 12 targets a week moving forward he can not replace that this year.

When your QB has zero WR's they can trust that doesn't help the offense. Rice will get there at some point. But he hasn't been that guy week to week yet.

Then you have the issue of numbers. If the plan is to develop young players to become good pros then you have to actually use draft PICKS.

They spent 1 pick on WR last draft. That is incredibly low for a team going with a youth movement philosophy.

I think we got the worst of all words. No vets that can play and no group to develop. The young WR corp is one dude, Rice.

The Skyy Moore stuff is very scary because lots of teams miss on draft picks. It's doubling down on it when you can see the guy in the pros.

I have no idea what they are looking at or seeing with the kid.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I think it's because the defense no longer has to honor anything downfield so they're crowding. Jet sweeps and stuff take too long. They're still doing tons of quick WR screens and stuff.

You can’t blame us too much for what we tried to do. We really focused on catch and run guys because defenses were daring offenses to keep stuff in front of them. Now offenses are being rewarded for striking downfield. Stroud and Jordan love are literally just chucking shit up with zero accuracy. Dallas and Jacksonville doing this way more controlled. But I think we’re seeing these guys just can’t adapt to where they’re asked to do more than that

Jacksonville to me shows a lot of where we need to go. Run a similar offense and they’ve been really successful transitioning to a more aggressive offense.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Last season, the Chiefs had more plays over 20 yards than any other team.

You'd think they revamped the entire receiving corps and Kelce retired. But no, the personnel is largely the same. Even the biggest pessimists didn't envision this offense would turn into dink and dunk. It's like the entire DNA of this team turned into another organization known for slow starts, poor 4th quarters, penalties, turnovers, drops.

Or maybe defenses have improved that much in the last year.

I agree, and I find it really confusing, and the only conclusion that I can come to is that Nagy and Embree suck and that whatever faults EB may have had, being a hard-ass and demanding perfection was beneficial.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Injuries kind of robbed us of even getting a chance to see if plan A would've worked out.

Doesn't matter, the plan started falling apart day one of training camp.

Skyy Moore is the problem.

He was touted as an excellent route runner that had big hands to catch passes. They shit on Hardman when they drafted Skyy claiming that Skyy would go where he needed to be and catch the ball.

They counted on Skyy replacing Juju as the veteran WR that Mahomes could trust. Skyy followed Mahomes around everywhere all off-season and looked good at camp.

But man...I cannot believe how bad this kid had been. He's easily the worst WR we've drafted right? Is it even close? He provides nothing.

MVS is who he is. Toney at least shows flashes of making plays, but Skyy just sucks. He's a net negative on this team. And what's sad is that if he's even a passable WR like a Demarcus Robinson, this offense probably looks quite a bit better.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You can’t blame us too much for what we tried to do. We really focused on catch and run guys because defenses were daring offenses to keep stuff in front of them. Now offenses are being rewarded for striking downfield. Stroud and Jordan love are literally just chucking shit up with zero accuracy. Dallas and Jacksonville doing this way more controlled. But I think we’re seeing these guys just can’t adapt to where they’re asked to do more than that

Jacksonville to me shows a lot of where we need to go. Run a similar offense and they’ve been really successful transitioning to a more aggressive offense.

Yeah that's cool, but they're not paying Lawrence yet, and have a half decade of top five picks, as well as the ability to pay WR's

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Yeah that's cool, but they're not paying Lawrence yet, and have a half decade of top five picks, as well as the ability to pay WR's

I’m just talking about the way they’ve evolved their offense. I don’t think mahomes needs elite weapons like Lawrence does to pull this off. But he needs solid weapons. It doesn’t feel to me like Dallas where they’re just feeding the ball to ceedee and making everyone else jump on his back. believe it or not zay jones has been the difference maker in that offense. It’s a balanced spread the ball offense but we need to shift from catch and run sporadic targets and niche role guys. Get a dawg and surround him with guys who can effectively just run the offense. If our draft pick can’t be that dawg then elevate rashee and hope he can do that.

[RunKC]

I just saw on Twitter that apparently there was a play on Sunday where Rashee Rice had to show Skyy Moore where to line up???

If that's true then holy shit

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I just saw on Twitter that apparently there was a play on Sunday where Rashee Rice had to show Skyy Moore where to line up???

If that's true then holy shit

He needs to show Toney how to line up and properly check with the line judge.

[BleedingRed]

Justyn Ross is going to save our Season

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Justyn Ross is going to save our Season

This is gonna sound crazy - but Richie James might. Would not be shocked to see him become the 3rd guy behind Kelce and Rashee for big plays.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Last season, the Chiefs had more plays over 20 yards than any other team.

You'd think they revamped the entire receiving corps and Kelce retired. But no, the personnel is largely the same. Even the biggest pessimists didn't envision this offense would turn into dink and dunk. It's like the entire DNA of this team turned into another organization known for slow starts, poor 4th quarters, penalties, turnovers, drops.

Or maybe defenses have improved that much in the last year.

Nagy and Embree are not good.