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Old 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM  
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****Our Wide Receivers Suck- Official Thread****
They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.
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Old 12-11-2023, 04:55 PM   #9781
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Wut. Rice hasn't developed for shit. He's the exact same guy that walked into camp day one. They just force fed him a ton of screens and Slants recently because that's all they apparently think he can do consistently.

And Green Bay being some WR factory?!! Are you for ****ing real? This place denigrates Green Bay daily for how they treated Rodgers when it came to skill position talent and yet somehow they're all of a sudden a well oiled machine churning out talent at the position? Lolololololol
Javon Walker
Greg Jennings
James Jones
Jordy Nelson
Randall Cobb
Davante Adams
Christian Watson

They've drafted good-to-great WR's and developed them the last 20 years. Hell even their 2nd rd WR this year Jayden Reed looks really good.

And yet MVS couldn't be developed by such a good staff huh? He is who he is and it's being magnified this season
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Old 12-11-2023, 04:56 PM   #9782
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Reid said something about seeing where Justyn Ross is physically.

That's code for when it's game time Sunday, Patrick will still throw the ball to Skyy in critical downs or Clyde gets us two yards on 3rd and 8.

Give Justyn the ball!

And, for those who say a veteran can't learn the plays fast enough to help.

Well just look at Skyy and Clyde. How much longer do they need to learn?

It didn't take Christian long to get in the 49ers game or Baker to lead an LA team. But for some reason, to learn the Chiefs offense, you need to go to Patrick's house and play catch for the summer.

Then, on Sundays, drop the damn ball.
Reid also said it is hard to just jump back in so I wouldn't expect anything from Ross until TC next year.

They need to be tuning the rotation anyway we don't need 7 guys running in and out every ****ing play.
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Old 12-11-2023, 04:57 PM   #9783
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You could tell that his reaction was half about the calls while the other half was frustration at this team that he can't really express.
I believe it was some lingering frustrations from the officiating last week too.
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Old 12-11-2023, 04:57 PM   #9784
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I'm not taking any kind of 'victory lap,' jfyi. I'm sick, almost literally ill, about the situation. Have been since the DEN loss. not that I expect you to believe me, but whatever.



Mostly i agree with your rant.


But a couple things: Rice actually has the worst drop rate on the team, 10.7%. Well, outside of James and Ross (14%/30%), but since they have 13 tgts between them for the season, I'm not counting them. Bitch about that if you like.

In fact, he's got nearly twice as many drops as the entire SF offense. But he's a rook, and we knew he had drop issues (and fumble issues) before the season started. But he's the best WR we have, so not much we can do about it right now. have to keep putting him out there, or the offense would probably collapse from the first drive.


Second, while i agree that coaching is a big part of the issue, at the end of the day these were supposed to be professional NFL WRs.

Ultimately, it's on the individual WRs to put in the work to be excellent, and they haven't done that. not one of these guys has taken it upon themselves to be great, to improve. To say to themselves, "let me be the one to become Pat's go-to guy." "Let me be the one to run all my routes correctly," "let me be the one to find a way to get open quickly and/or 'on time.,'" "let me be the one that spends hours after practice working on catching the ball," and so on.

In short, not one of these guys has shown the tiniest bit of accountability, or even embarrassment, concerning their level of play. According to MVS, "they don't know what we're talking about."

They've been doing what most of them were doing last season, which is the bare-ass minimum. Or worse.


And the lack of a true veteran WR in that room is also a big part of why these guys are shitting themselves. They have no one to look up to, no one to take notes from, no one to show them the dozens of little tricks that good vets always have in their bags.

Except for a rookie, or a $10 million joke of a decoy.


That's on Andy and Veach.
I would agree with you, except that it's painfully obvious that they're not even as good as they were down the stretch LAST year.

It's not the same. It's far, far worse. Historically bad.

Rice is going to be a good player, I think, but he's a raw rookie.

Everyone else is performing at a absolute shit-show level. Mistakes are not corrected. Routes don't get adjusted. They don't know what they're doing, they can't catchthe ball at an even average level.

It'd be one thing if we were rolling with a room full of low round picks and UDFA's, but there are THREE #2 picks and a #1 pick in that room. The fact that NONE are developing or performing at an even serviceable level (other than Rice, who I'd argue is just physically talented and shows it) has got to be on the coaching.

I think Nagy is not holding people accountable. Mistakes are not being corrected. I think Embree is in way over his head.
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Old 12-11-2023, 04:58 PM   #9785
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Javon Walker
Greg Jennings
James Jones
Jordy Nelson
Randall Cobb
Davante Adams
Christian Watson

They've drafted good-to-great WR's and developed them the last 20 years. Hell even their 2nd rd WR this year Jayden Reed looks really good.

And yet MVS couldn't be developed by such a good staff huh? He is who he is and it's being magnified this season
there's one guy in your list that was drafted in the last decade.
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Old 12-11-2023, 04:58 PM   #9786
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Reid also said it is hard to just jump back in so I wouldn't expect anything from Ross until TC next year.

They need to be tuning the rotation anyway we don't need 7 guys running in and out every ****ing play.


Someone on RGR (Dan?) said that Ross hasn't even been practicing/spending any time with the team, so he's way behind, and probably wouldn't be on the field for weeks, unfortunately.
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Old 12-11-2023, 04:58 PM   #9787
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It took Taylor 4 or 5 games to figure out how to lineup correctly.

Hopefully Toney figures it out before the playoffs
He never figured it out. Check his alignment in the Toney offsides play…… lol
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Old 12-11-2023, 05:00 PM   #9788
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What were they last year? Was one legged Juju really all that scary? Because other than that, it's THE SAME CREW that was the #1 offense in football in EVERY MEANINGFUL STATISTIC.

We've got two guys that are 4.3 guys. We've got Toney, who's a 4.4 guy that's electric with the ball in his hands (but he'd have to actually catch the ball.) Hardman's been hurt, but is also dynamite with the ball. Of course, we don't really get them the ball much, because neither is capable of apparently running routes. Weird, because Toney looked pretty good at it down the stretch last year.

MVS has never been a plus player per se, but that speed and a 50% catch rate plays because you still have to keep a guy over the top. Now? Nah, he won't catch it anyway.

They're all dramatically regressing.

Rice isn't DEVELOPING, they're manufacturing screens and quick hitters for him. That's fine, but it's not development. I didn't expect more from him in year one. He's doing fine. Everyone else went from at least having useful skillsets to being absolute dog shit.

There's no reasonable explanation for that other than shit coaching.
Thought JUJU was going to be easily replaced. But to his credit even though JuJu did not get a lot of separation, he knew how to position his body to give the QB a target and was very good at contested catches.
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Old 12-11-2023, 05:01 PM   #9789
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Thought JUJU was going to be easily replaced. But to his credit even though JuJu did not get a lot of separation, he knew how to position his body to give the QB a target and was very good at contested catches.
Rice is starting to learn how to do that now.

He's done it twice in the last three games.

The catch at the back of the end zone was a new thing for him, too.

Rice is probably giving us about 85% of what JuJu did.

Considering his availability is going to be way more dependable in the postseason, if ONE other receiver steps up, we MIGHT have a shot.

That is what we have to hope for.
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Bring him in for a look?
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Rice is starting to learn how to do that now.

He's done it twice in the last three games.

The catch at the back of the end zone was a new thing for him, too.

Rice is probably giving us about 85% of what JuJu did.
Rice is already better than JuJu outside. But JuJu always ran those routes in the middle of the field that gave Mahomes comfort as a QB. Because he knew he would get open and when.
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Rice is starting to learn how to do that now.

He's done it twice in the last three games.

The catch at the back of the end zone was a new thing for him, too.

Rice is probably giving us about 85% of what JuJu did.

Considering his availability is going to be way more dependable in the postseason, if ONE other receiver steps up, we MIGHT have a shot.

That is what we have to hope for.
Just sign Ertz and run 13 personnel primarily at this point.
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Thought JUJU was going to be easily replaced. But to his credit even though JuJu did not get a lot of separation, he knew how to position his body to give the QB a target and was very good at contested catches.
True, but if this bunch only drops passes at a lousy rate instead of historically bad, we're 10-3 or 11-2.

Historically bad, with a first round pick and three seconds.

That's shit coaching.
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Rice is starting to learn how to do that now.

He's done it twice in the last three games.

The catch at the back of the end zone was a new thing for him, too.

Rice is probably giving us about 85% of what JuJu did.

Considering his availability is going to be way more dependable in the postseason, if ONE other receiver steps up, we MIGHT have a shot.

That is what we have to hope for.
Sort of wonder if we are not making a play for Ertz if he is healthy. 2 TE formations with Rice and whoever can stretch the field. Not ideal but what we have outisde of Travis and Rice is not working.
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Last year everyone wanted Toub fired bc Skyy Moore was terrible and that guy had zero experience in college returning punts and it showed.

Surprise that it's been much better this season now that he's not taking those snaps
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