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Old 11-10-2021, 05:45 PM  
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Old 11-10-2021, 11:35 PM   #76
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Buffalo certainly would but that’s just one owner. They can’t stop this kind of expansion if the majority want it.
Detroit would probably oppose teams in those cities as well.
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Old 11-10-2021, 11:36 PM   #77
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Detroit would probably oppose teams in those cities as well.
Still not enough. Expansion of this kind would mean (at least in theory) a lot more money for the collective.
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Old 11-10-2021, 11:53 PM   #78
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Still not enough. Expansion of this kind would mean (at least in theory) a lot more money for the collective.
MMM maybe.

Do you listen to the Bill Simmons podcast?

He had Cuban on and he suggested that NBA expansion would hurt current owners. It was early in the spring when I heard it so I might be wrong, but if there is a guy who's math I trust, it's Cuban. But essentially he said the pie being bigger is of no consequence because you get a smaller piece of the bigger pie.

And there's probably a similar approach here. Is the additional ad revenue of an additional 52 games (is that right? 2 additional games for 18 weeks and 18 games week 19?) worth getting 2.778% instead of 3.125%. If my math is right (it's midnight and I'm tired as **** - it's probably not), that's an additional 12% you couldn't otherwise get just to break even.

654 games vs 544 is 19% more games, but really 34 of those games would be available with 32 teams, so that's only 13.4% more games from additional teams. Also, I don't know how the ad programs work. Not sure if a 13% increase in ad slots equates to 13% more revenue.

There is also some dilution effect of franchise valuation, and reduced control over decision making that I'm not smart enough to put a number on.

But if the 12% and 13.4% numbers are right, that's a mighty big bite to take for 1.4% marginal revenue - maybe.
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Old 11-10-2021, 11:57 PM   #79
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NFL is gonna end up expanding itself into an implosion.
Vegas casinos pairing up with the NFL will be the final nail...if it weren't for Mahomes being an alien, I would have already been done.

This NFL season, as a whole has been sketchy AF...and it was already sketchy.
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Old 11-11-2021, 03:06 AM   #80
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I can’t see sellout stadiums in London lasting a full regular season. They sell out at the moment because people want a taste of NFL and there are NFL fans here who just want to experience a game. But probably not 100,000 people every two weeks. The travel thing would suck as well. (Again, it’s probably ok for one or two games a year). Canada or Mexico makes more sense.

NFL Europe could work if they revamped it maybe? Like each NFL team had a second string team instead of the practice squad or something? You get to see talented rookies before they get into the full NFL is the draw then. I don’t know, could work?
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Old 11-11-2021, 04:15 AM   #81
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Yay?...you mean the guy who dragged his ball-sack across the face of a female trainer...then used his family money/influence to get her fired has a contract with Vegas casinos?

Sounds about right...

Remember that one time...where Manning sent some goons to shake-down the guy who reported the HGH situation and threatened to ruin his career...kind of like that trainer in college?

I sure dont...no behavioral pattern of entitlement...that's a racist conspiracy theory. We all need a hero in troubled times...right?

I just want to enable and reinforce the worst aspects of the human condition....Go Ceasers Sportbook!!!!! THEY ARE NFL ROYALTY!!!! Gods amongst men...sometimes...when you are a God...you just have to smear your balls across the face of the plebs to remind them how rich your father is...kind of like Jesus but only more Satanic.

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Old 11-11-2021, 06:45 AM   #82
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Buffalo certainly would but that’s just one owner. They can’t stop this kind of expansion if the majority want it.
With the talk, although likely not happening, of Buffalo relocating they might not complain.

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Old 11-11-2021, 07:23 AM   #83
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I just don't see it happening any time soon... not with Covid. Hell, if anything Covid likely pushes any sort of expansion out 5-10 years.

Toronto, London, San Antonio... St Louis. C'mon... sure London makes for some nice storylines, etc... but few give a damn about international games. And, you're not going to go into that part of the world and truly start attracting loyalty with soccer being so popular.

It's all pipedreams right now.
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If this happens it will be time to introduce “Load Management” into the NFL.
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Old 11-11-2021, 07:40 AM   #85
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I think we are getting closer to a relegation sport..

Have a premier football league, and a championship football league.

20 teams in the top tier. 4 regional divisions of 5 teams. Top 2 in each divisions go to playoffs bottom team relegates to bottom league.
16 teams in the bottom. 4 regional division of 4 teams. Division Winners move up.

Introduce a Cup where all 36 teams play a playoff style tournament.

Premier :
Home and Away games in division 8 games
Play 1 other alternating divisions per year, 5 games
Play vs the Same seed of the other 2 from year prior. 2 games.
15 regular season games total.
Tournament - you technically at most would play at minimum 1 and at most 4 games.

Championship. Same structure but instead of 1 division you play 2 alternating
6 games home / away in division
8 games for 2 other divisions
1 game same seed from the other
15 games
�� profit and would let shitty teams be where they belong and you watch the best football all the time.
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Old 11-11-2021, 07:49 AM   #86
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If the owners want it, they're going to have to give some concessions to the NFLPA and the fans. First, expand the rosters to 55 or 57 players. Keep the cap to the top 51 or raise the cap $1.5M per player. Second, give an extra bye week. Nobody wants to see Chad Henne QB the Chiefs (possible exception, Chad's family).

As to the cities, keep them all in the US. St. Louis would be about the only city no one would bitch about. Jones would have a fit if a team was allocated to San Antonio. Buffalo and probably 3 of the 4 teams in the NFC North would have problems with Canadian cities. Seattle would probably do a Jerruh about Portland. You'd have the same problems with Honolulu as you would with London (time zones and travel). You'd have to have a dome in Anchorage. There just aren't enough cities that realistically could support a NFL team.
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Old 11-11-2021, 08:31 AM   #87
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I think we are getting closer to a relegation sport..

Have a premier football league, and a championship football league.

20 teams in the top tier. 4 regional divisions of 5 teams. Top 2 in each divisions go to playoffs bottom team relegates to bottom league.
16 teams in the bottom. 4 regional division of 4 teams. Division Winners move up.

Introduce a Cup where all 36 teams play a playoff style tournament.

Premier :
Home and Away games in division 8 games
Play 1 other alternating divisions per year, 5 games
Play vs the Same seed of the other 2 from year prior. 2 games.
15 regular season games total.
Tournament - you technically at most would play at minimum 1 and at most 4 games.

Championship. Same structure but instead of 1 division you play 2 alternating
6 games home / away in division
8 games for 2 other divisions
1 game same seed from the other
15 games
�� profit and would let shitty teams be where they belong and you watch the best football all the time.
That sounds ****ing horrible. This isn't soccer.
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That sounds ****ing horrible. This isn't soccer.
I agree. What happens when a top tier team loses their star QB for the season or when they're in a slump? It's not NFL football. The lower tier teams are basically relegated to a minor league and won't draw the ad revenue, fan support, and merch money. Look at our Chiefs and the QB merry-go-round before Alex Smith and the diasters of Herm, Romeo, and Todd.
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Old 11-11-2021, 09:04 AM   #89
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I doubt the NFL wants to mimic the least popular sport in the United States in an effort to grow the sport.
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I agree. What happens when a top tier team loses their star QB for the season or when they're in a slump? It's not NFL football. The lower tier teams are basically relegated to a minor league and won't draw the ad revenue, fan support, and merch money. Look at our Chiefs and the QB merry-go-round before Alex Smith and the diasters of Herm, Romeo, and Todd.
Its not a minor league... But I agree the NFL is not ready for this. MLS needs to do this first.
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