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Old Today, 12:59 PM  
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This seems to explain Mahomes happy feet
OL got absolutely wrecked the first 3 drives. Patrick probably felt like he had to get rid for he ball quickly or scramble the rest of the game bc of the early OL play.
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Old Today, 03:25 PM   #31
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Nagy has been the biggest change in our offense since 2022. It cannot be a coincidence that we have the best offense in the league in 2022 and suddenly when he takes over we immediately become average at best and players look undisciplined and fundamentally unsound as ever. What else could it be? Was Juju the most integral WR ever that losing him turned the offense from all time great to mediocre? Doubt it.


It has to be a game planning issue and players not being held accountable for the mistakes which leads them to making more.
I think it's the constant change at Left Tackle. Year 1 of Orlando Brown was kind of rough, but Year 2 in 2022 was very good. But then you lose Orlando and replace him with a washed up version of Donovan Smith for just one year. And now you replace Donovan with two rookie kind of guys.

Maybe next year will look better if they can have stability with Wanya or Kingsley in the LT spot, although I am hoping we will see progress in the later part of this season. That's kind of what happened with Orlando & Donovan in the later part of 2021 and 2023.
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Old Today, 03:28 PM   #32
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I don’t understand why Andy is not calling the quick hitting plays in the intermediate level of the field? Use 12 personnel. Get Worthy involved.

Good grief
He's probably sandbagging that shit.
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Nobody is perfect of course. Even the best OL that ever played will occasionally lose some reps. Same thing with every position on the field honestly.
IMOP ours is fairly overrated though. They sure get their shit pushed in pretty damn often for how good they're supposed to be.
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I think it's the constant change at Left Tackle. Year 1 of Orlando Brown was kind of rough, but Year 2 in 2022 was very good. But then you lose Orlando and replace him with a washed up version of Donovan Smith for just one year. And now you replace Donovan with two rookie kind of guys.

Maybe next year will look better if they can have stability with Wanya or Kingsley in the LT spot, although I am hoping we will see progress in the later part of this season. That's kind of what happened with Orlando & Donovan in the later part of 2021 and 2023.
We had years with Wylie at tackle and and a bunch of games of Cameron Erving starting for us. The offense never looked this bad overall.
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We had years with Wylie at tackle and and a bunch of games of Cameron Erving starting for us. The offense never looked this bad overall.
Guess we'll see how it goes. Not like any of us have a choice, haha.

I think long term they should be trying to go for an injection of different ideas. If Nagy is Andy Reid's replacement, you just get a worse version of Andy's offense. Some of the other teams around the league seem to have better schemes from what I can tell. Detroit, Houston, San Fran, etc.
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I think it's the constant change at Left Tackle. Year 1 of Orlando Brown was kind of rough, but Year 2 in 2022 was very good. But then you lose Orlando and replace him with a washed up version of Donovan Smith for just one year. And now you replace Donovan with two rookie kind of guys.

Maybe next year will look better if they can have stability with Wanya or Kingsley in the LT spot, although I am hoping we will see progress in the later part of this season. That's kind of what happened with Orlando & Donovan in the later part of 2021 and 2023.
Maybe the answer is reallocating how they are investing in the left side of the line… spend big on a legit LT, at the expense of Thuney.
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I have yet to hear a Nagy Apologist adequately explain the drop off from 2022 to the past two years.

It’s almost all the same personnel, minus OBJ and Wylie at the tackle positions.
Washington and UCLA both regressed when EB was installed as an offensive coordinator. I can't see the issue being Nagy. He's probably an upgrade.
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I can't see the issue being Nagy. He's probably an upgrade.
The Chiefs statistics on offense from 2022 compared to 2023 and this year disagree.
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Maybe the answer is reallocating how they are investing in the left side of the line… spend big on a legit LT, at the expense of Thuney.
They tried with Trent Williams. Aside from Trent there really hasn’t been a good LT in the market unless you consider Orlando Brown Jr (yikes)
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The Chiefs statistics on offense from 2022 compared to 2023 and this year disagree.
The Chiefs struggled with prime Tyreek and Kelce in 2021.

Mahomes had the 2nd best season of his career and won MVP when Nagy came back in 2022.
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The Chiefs struggled with prime Tyreek and Kelce in 2021.

Mahomes had the 2nd best season of his career and won MVP when Nagy came back in 2022.
We have been very very fast, and we have been very very efficient. We have not been both at the same time. That feels like what we really wanted to do when we signed juju then tried to extend tyreek. And what we did this year by adding Hollywood and worthy to complement rice and kelce.

Just as it took mahomes time to adjust into an efficient offense, it’s clearly taking time for him to adjust back into taking shots again.

I don’t think we struggled in the cincy playoff game because of tyreek. I think it’s because we relied way too much on speed. Mahomes and tyreek did it begrudgingly and we lacked the reliable power slot option we’ve had ever since. Running the ball much better today than yesterday also helps a ton
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The Chiefs struggled with prime Tyreek and Kelce in 2021.

Mahomes had the 2nd best season of his career and won MVP when Nagy came back in 2022.
For context, in that year they struggled, they scored 28 points per game and only scored 16 less points than the 2022 team.


FAR FAR FAR FAR cry from the struggle today.
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For context, in that year they struggled, they scored 28 points per game and only scored 16 less points than the 2022 team.


FAR FAR FAR FAR cry from the struggle today.
Let me repeat this for you since you apparently didn’t catch it:

In 2021 we had prime Tyreek and prime Kelce

2 HOF’s in their prime tends to make a bit of a difference
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Seems like Thuney might be slipping.
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He's been the biggest change in our offense since 2022. It cannot be a coincidence that we have the best offense in the league in 2022 and suddenly when he takes over we immediately become average at best and players look undisciplined and fundamentally unsound as ever. What else could it be? Was Juju the most integral WR ever that losing him turned the offense from all time great to mediocre? Doubt it.


It has to be a game planning issue and players not being held accountable for the mistakes which leads them to making more.
Okay, let's hold players accountable and fire the OL.
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