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#3841 |
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Join Date: Mar 2021
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Pfft If the defense could win the AFCCG for Allen. He would fumble the Lamar Hunt Trophy off the stage. On to a third stringer's head & they would forfeit the Super Bowl. To have candle light service outside the injured players hotel room
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#3842 | |
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Hell, Peyton was more talented than Brady, but Brady is recognized as greater due to his success, (partially because of all those years in Indy where Peyton had much lesser Defenses) At the end of the day, a substantial majority of people won't care about the flags, the tuck rule, or anything. Hell, Brady made a joke in a commercial about the tuck rule calling it actually a fumble a year or two ago, and people laughed it off. The barometer of success is defined by two things to the public. The eye test, and the resume'. The flags and other nuances will be lost to time; fairly or unfairly. Regardless, this won't matter because Mahomes will be almost universally recognized as the GOAT by the end of his career. |
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#3846 |
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Location: Texas
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Josh Allen is really good and he has improved a lot since he came into the league. Personally, I'm thankful for Josh Allen because he's keeping Patrick on his toes. Patrick knows that if he doesn't work really hard to maintain his spot at the top of the pyramid, Allen will be there to move up. Josh Allen is exactly the kind of guy that we need out there to push Patrick and the Bills are exactly the kind of team we need out there to push the Chiefs.
Here's to the Bills. We wouldn't be as good as we are if it weren't for them pushing us so hard. |
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#3847 | |
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Edit: Forgot to mention the Tampa Bay team. They were loaded. Last edited by RaidersOftheCellar; 07-10-2024 at 09:37 AM.. |
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#3848 |
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I'm more referring to the defenses being consistently top of the league along with great OLines. The Patriots never had traditionally elite WRs outside of Moss, but they found ways to exploit TE matchups (Not to mention Gronk) and found how to use guys amazingly in the slot, and Brady had guys that may not have been All Pros, but they vibed (Edelman).
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#3850 |
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Location: Missouri
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I'll have to dig through my prior posts... I have one of some research that was a breakdown of every defense Brady ever had in Point Allowed per Drive... I'll have to see if I can find it again and post it here, seems fitting with how the convo has turned.
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#3851 |
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If Flacco can win one during Brady's reign. Allen has a chance away from Buffalo & at the very least free from McStupidface. The Ravens' history is not the Bill's
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#3853 |
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#3854 |
Would an idiot do that?
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Arizona
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It is mildly amusing how we seamlessly transition from laughing at Bills fans for saying Mahomes isn't as athletic and how he's had a lot of help from coaching, Kelce, Tyreek, a top defense last season; while ignoring his huge football brain and leadership and so forth..., to bashing Brady because he benefited from defense, coaching, etc; and didn't do things Mahomes could but was very smart, dedicated, etc.
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#3855 | |
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Because Mahomes has done more with less (for the time period in which he's had the opportunity to do such) I don't think he has to match Brady in terms of rings to be considered the GOAT. I think if he gets a 4th ring while maintaining his statistical output consistently, the real convo begins. This was more compiled because too many people are ring counters and that's all (which none of those people say Bill Russell is the best NBA player ever). It's also why I gave Manning and Brees credit for winning with worse Defenses. Because it does mean something. It doesn't mean everything, but it does mean something. Originally I wrote it out to focus on Allen and Lamar's defenses in contrast to Mahomes, I added Brady when it became apparent that Mahomes is no longer competing against his contemporaries, he's competing against legends of the game. EDIT: I should clarify. I think Brady is the GOAT QB, I personally am more inclined to see Jerry Rice as the GOAT of football in general when you compare him to the other legends and top players ever of his position. I think Mahomes will end his career as the GOAT Though, so this post will be outdated soon enough. I also think there is a difference between the "Greatest of All Time" and "The Best of All Time". Greatness implies accomplishment. Best implies talent and ability (In my opinion) Last edited by kcgreene; 07-10-2024 at 12:04 PM.. |
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