Alex Smith Traded to Chiefs

[Deberg_1990]

Well, it looks like the deal is done.



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Jay Glazer @JayGlazer
49ers have completed a trade with the Chiefs for Alex Smith, tho can't be official til March 12. Chiefs really made a commitment to Smith


Jay Glazer @JayGlazer
Deal has been agreed upon between Chiefs and 49ers. Compensation unclear but I'm told again Chiefs have made a clear commitment to Smith.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

i can tell you what Dalton has done that Smith has not

Andy Dalton walked into a small market losing NFL franchise and with the help of one other player not only saved the tenured head coach's job, but turned that losing culture in a winning for 2 years so far.

Alex Smith, was a first overall draft pick that went to a storied and historic NFL franchise that is used to winning with a spoiled fanbase that has been blessed with great QB play and championships for decades and he ****ing stunk up the join for 7 years.

Andy Dalton elevated and makes the Bengals team better around him.
Alex Smith had to make the 49ers make the positional talent and head coaching be all pro for him to be even sniff positive production

that is the major difference, and it is really sad. So now, Andy Dalton in now way shape or form can be the POOR man's version of a QB he is better than. Alex Smith is the poor version of him, at the ripe of age of 30 no less.

Ah, so nebulous nonsense.

"He makes his teammates better"... How the hell do you figure? He throws the ball to AJ Green. AJ Green makes Dalton better, not vice versa. And lets not act like the Bengals were just a sorry sack of a franchise before he got there - they have a better recent past than the Chiefs do, that's for damn sure. Carson Palmer, Housh, Chad Johnson; that team wasn't exactly hurting to throw the ball over the previous few seasons, especially not when Palmer was healthy.

Meanwhile Alex Smith got drafted to a team that was so !@#$ing bad when he took over that they were drafting #1 overall - how the **** does Steve Youngs play a decade earlier matter one damn bit?

It's the same old crap. You have absolutely nothing except for loaded rhetoric and completely unsubstantiated emotional tripe. No, Alex Smith did not step into a situation any better than the one Dalton did, in fact it was far worse. He didn't go to a team with AJ Green and a stable coaching staff that had spent the previous 7(ish) years installing the same offense. He didn't go to a solid veteran unit that had a bunch of playoff experience. He went to a team that was half a decade removed from being decent, that had absolutely imploded under a bunch of bad coaching decisions and had next to nothing offensively in the cupboard.

But hey, keep on ****ing that chicken.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Agreed - but he hit on them. While Flacco was bombing deep and coming up incomplete on a vast majority of them, Smith was chipping his way up the field.

He was asked to be a YAC quarterback. But here's the thing, that's exactly what Reid asks of his QBs. There's nothing about that that has to change.

If he shows up and averages 8 YPA by doing nothing more than throwing 10 yard passes at an 80% clip, that's fine with me. You'll keep the sticks moving, you'll keep your defense fresh that way and you'll help control the clock. It's not a bad approach if you have a physical WR like Bowe as your #1 target.

It's not a bad technique when you do it well. The 'dink and dunk' has developed a negative stigma around here because Cassel couldn't do it. But if you can churn your way up the field 8 yards at a time throwing high percentage, low risk passes, you're going to kick some serious ass.

Cassel could do it. In 2010 he did. And he did it much better than Alex ever did. Seriously, if we're going to discount Alex's years before Harbaugh, can we do the same for Cassel in 2011 and 2012 because of the incompetencies of the coaching staff?

[-King-]

Originally Posted by ChiefRocka

last year he would have.

No he wouldn't. Last year he would have had 24 TDs if he played the whole season. Dalton had 27. He would have had 3318 yards. Dalton had 3669.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

the 49ers are better than the Bengals in every facet except WR1. That is it. You are just being a fool if you think other wise.

49ers have a better o-line, d-line, LBers, secondary and RBs. And it is not even close

God, you just dont know shit do you?

The dline in cincy is better than sf's because of one reason. Geno Atkins.

THen you factor in they also have michael johnson, and its really tilted.

and no, their secondary is not better. Donte Whitner gave up the most tds of any safeties in the league, and i will take Leon Hall, adam jones, terrence newman, and nate clements over the 49ers corners.

Yes, the lbs, rbs, are better right now. The oline, is a push. The cincy oline is VERY VERY GOOD. i dont know why people dont understand that.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by -King-

No he wouldn't. Last year he would have had 24 TDs if he played the whole season. Dalton had 27. He would have had 3318 yards. Dalton had 3669.

the bengals trailed a lot more than the 49ers, therefore dalton had to throw more, also the bengals do not have the 49ers run game.

Hence more throws and need for throwing tds than the 49ers

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Alex Smith Fan

the bengals trailed a lot more than the 49ers, therefore dalton had to throw more, also the bengals do not have the 49ers run game.

Hence more throws and need for throwing tds than the 49ers

+ The Bengals trusted Dalton a shit ton more than the 49ers trusted Smith.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ChiefRocka

last year he would have.

And he did in 2011.

King's focusing on some pretty odd volume stats to support his argument here. Then again, Smith does really well on my 2 favorite stats (YPA and passer rating) so I'll admit my own bias there.

Smith's not been the volume passer that Dalton has been, but he's been a significantly more efficient passer and he's proven to be as accurate as anyone around.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's not a bad technique when you do it well.

And you have a great defense and special teams.

Smith's acceptable numbers the last two years are a direct result of being put on a leash shorter than anything Cassel was ever on.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by -King-

No he wouldn't. Last year he would have had 24 TDs if he played the whole season. Dalton had 27. He would have had 3318 yards. Dalton had 3669.

I don't get this argument. Andy Dalton peed his pants every playoff game he played while Alex Smith played well.

I'd rather take the guy who can win.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by -King-

+ The Bengals trusted Dalton a shit ton more than the 49ers trusted Smith.

The Bengals didn't have a choice; their running game sucked.

The Bengals trusted Green a shitload more than the 49ers trusted any pass catcher they have.

Seriously - Green spent the entire first half of the season just jumping over people and stealing away balls that should've been picked. It was a clinic. Had Dalton thrown up some of that shit in SF, he would've been crucified.

I'm fairly convinced a lot of you folks didn't actually watch Dalton play much - I'm really not kidding when I say that he was little more than the AJ Green Jugs machine.

[KurtCobain]

Originally Posted by -King-

+ The Bengals trusted Dalton a shit ton more than the 49ers trusted Smith.

And it netted them key losses.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I don't get this argument. Andy Dalton peed his pants every playoff game he played while Alex Smith played well.

I'd rather take the guy who can win.

Alex Smith has played in a total of 2 playoff games and won 1 in his 8 year career. Dalton has played in 2 in the first 2 years of his career.

Yeah, very good comparison. Nice job.

[Carlota69]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ah, so nebulous nonsense.

"He makes his teammates better"... How the hell do you figure? He throws the ball to AJ Green. AJ Green makes Dalton better, not vice versa. And lets not act like the Bengals were just a sorry sack of a franchise before he got there - they have a better recent past than the Chiefs do, that's for damn sure. Carson Palmer, Housh, Chad Johnson; that team wasn't exactly hurting to throw the ball over the previous few seasons, especially not when Palmer was healthy.

Meanwhile Alex Smith got drafted to a team that was so !@#$ing bad when he took over that they were drafting #1 overall - how the **** does Steve Youngs play a decade earlier matter one damn bit?

It's the same old crap. You have absolutely nothing except for loaded rhetoric and completely unsubstantiated emotional tripe. No, Alex Smith did not step into a situation any better than the one Dalton did, in fact it was far worse. He didn't go to a team with AJ Green and a stable coaching staff that had spent the previous 7(ish) years installing the same offense. He didn't go to a solid veteran unit that had a bunch of playoff experience. He went to a team that was half a decade removed from being decent, that had absolutely imploded under a bunch of bad coaching decisions and had next to nothing offensively in the cupboard.

But hey, keep on ****ing that chicken.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

And you have a great defense and special teams.

Smith's acceptable numbers the last two years are a direct result of being put on a leash shorter than anything Cassel was ever on.

I disagree.

He was on a similar leash to Cassel, but since his team wasn't having to push it downfield and because he was able to actually execute to put himself in more makeable 2nd and 3rd down solutions, he wasn't being forced to throw it downfield.

And do you not agree that defense and special teams should be the Chiefs biggest strengths next season?

[Mav]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I disagree.

He was on a similar leash to Cassel, but since his team wasn't having to push it downfield and because he was able to actually execute to put himself in more makeable 2nd and 3rd down solutions, he wasn't being forced to throw it downfield.

And do you not agree that defense and special teams should be the Chiefs biggest strengths next season?

No, because to some people on this forum, every season is the same.

I honestly cant understand it. The chiefs qbs turned the ball over 37 times last year. That number will be cut by at least 20 next year, meaning the defense will spend less time on the field, the offense will spend more. Therefore the defense will play better, the offense will play better from the standpoint that instead of a drive ending in a turnover, it will end in a kick, one way or the other.