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Sofa King · 09-07-2023, 09:08 PM

They can’t get open, they drop passes in their hands, their jet sweeps are slow and terrible. These guys are not good.

DJ's left nut · 10-06-2023, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin

I've always heard that it takes 2 to 3 years for WRs to understand Andy Reids playbook. We just need to be patient and they will come around.

I'm looking at week 8 they will start making big time plays and puts the league on notice.

You've typically heard this from people who were making excuses for Skyy Moore.

It doesn't. Andy Reid isn't the only HC in football who utilizes complicated passing concepts. And many of those other HCs have rookies contributing. Reid himself has gotten significant contributions out of rookies both in Philly AND in KC, including from Rashee Rice this season. Not to mention the immediate contributions from Toney last season.

No, it doesn't take 2-3 years to produce in Reid's system. It just takes talent.

OKchiefs · 10-06-2023, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Lmao, Mecole Hardman is a 2x SB champion.

OKChiefs is a tard.

Sorensen and Niemann are super bowl champions. So is Demarcus Robinson. Your point is?

If Hardman was such a fantastic player, why wasn't he a coveted player in free agency? At a time in the NFL when receivers are at a premium and constant underachievers like MVS can get a 3 year/$30 million deal, why is someone like Hardman only able to get a 1 year/$4 million deal?

DJ's left nut · 10-06-2023, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Sorensen and Niemann are super bowl champions. So is Demarcus Robinson. Your point is?

If Hardman was such a fantastic player, why wasn't he a coveted player in free agency? At a time in the NFL when receivers are at a premium and constant underachievers like MVS can get a 3 year/$30 million deal, why is someone like Hardman only able to get a 1 year/$4 million deal?

Who said 'fantastic player'?

He's a field stretcher. He has a limited number of ways he can impact the game but those ways require defenses to account for him.

He's a gadget that not every team can use well. THIS team can.

RunKC · 10-06-2023, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

A first for Kyle Pitts who is averaging a paltry 35 yds/game his last 14 games played and has a grand total of 3 TDs in his 2.25 year career? Are you ****ing serious?

Put the crack pipe down and join us all here on planet Earth. I'd give up a third rounder next season and a future 3-4th rounder based on performance.

If we can get away with a 2nd I'd do it. I realize folks like you don't watch that guy but he's incredibly talented and the Falcons are wasting him o a QB that sucks ass and won't throw downfield.

Wisconsin_Chief · 10-06-2023, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Did you have this same feeling after Chicago played KC and their receivers had 73 total yards receiving and KC's receivers had 190 yards receiving?

Find me one game in the past 2 years where the Chiefs WRs were creating that kind of separation.

OKchiefs · 10-06-2023, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Who said 'fantastic player'?

He's a field stretcher. He has a limited number of ways he can impact the game but those ways require defenses to account for him.

He's a gadget that not every team can use well. THIS team can.

That’s fair. Hardman still has a role here. Not a fan of the draft pick, but what’s done is done and at this point I’d probably rather have him than MVS or Watson.

Wisconsin_Chief · 10-06-2023, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

A couple months ago was a couple months ago.

Maybe they just don't want Hardman back - which seems odd given that they clearly intended to make him a focal point of the offense in 2022 before he got hurt - but 'a couple months ago' they thought Skyy Moore was going to be able to step up and mitigate the loss of JJSS.

He hasn't been able to. It appears he WON'T be able to.

So set what happened in the summer aside. Hardman's one of the few guys out there who might be available, who fits under the cap and can IMMEDIATELY step into the system with a complete understanding of how it works.

Why WOULDN'T they be interested in him?

Bingo. People are going to be singing a different tune after watching us try and keep up with the likes of Miami in the coming weeks. Trading a late conditional pick for a guy who, at this point, would easily be the best and most dependable WR on the roster, would be a no brainer. You're not going to find anyone else to come in here and help immediately like he could.

As far as trading a conditional pick, we have no idea if KC tried to keep Mecole, they very well may have, and he decided he wanted to go make a name for himself outside of KC thinking he could do more. He's certainly been humbled if that was the case and I'm sure regrets his decision, even if they offered him a little more money.

I mean I'm not giving up hope just yet, but man, I need to see something this week or it's going to start getting worrisome.

DJ's left nut · 10-06-2023, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

That’s fair. Hardman still has a role here. Not a fan of the draft pick, but what’s done is done and at this point I’d probably rather have him than MVS or Watson.

I noted that a trade for Hardman would be like the Ingram trade.

"Why didn't we just sign Ingram when he was a free agent!?!" well we couldn't afford him. But by letting the Steelers sign him and pay his signing bonus, we knocked 2/3 of his cap it off our cap and onto theirs.

We traded a 6th round pick for cap space. There are worse ways to use those.

If a trade pick trade (or equally likely a late round pick swap) puts Hardman's signing bonus on the Jets cap instead of ours - bully. That's a fine use of the pick.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 10-06-2023, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

This is always given as a valid excuse but I don’t buy it - it was a reactionary decision bordering on panic and was a poor move. Reaching for a raw prospect because he was the closest thing to Hill based purely on measurables was a mistake. I’m not the biggest fan of Veach but I’m fairly confident he wouldn’t make that same pick today. I do admit he has grown a lot as a GM, even if he can’t draft WRs worth a damn.

No way were planning on taking a WR in that spot if it weren't for the situation... If Tyreek was suspended or cut the wolves would have had Veach's head for not trying to fill the need that this would have left. At the time, most thought Tyreek was probably done...

IowaHawkeyeChief · 10-06-2023, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

I'd try to swing them a conditional low round pick to bring him back at this point to be honest. I'd give it 2-3 more weeks and if we're still seeing garbage results I'd be calling them.

an pay him with what, not sure on the structure, but I would be in if we have the space without pushing a bunch more down the road?

Wisconsin_Chief · 10-06-2023, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

an pay him with what?

Jets gave him a $2.5 million signing bonus which wouldn't touch our cap, his season salary is only $1.5 million. We would easily fit him in.

FloridaMan88 · 10-06-2023, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

A first for Kyle Pitts who is averaging a paltry 35 yds/game his last 14 games played and has a grand total of 3 TDs in his 2.25 year career? Are you ****ing serious?

Put the crack pipe down and join us all here on planet Earth. I'd give up a third rounder next season and a future 3-4th rounder based on performance.

I don't know about giving up a first for Pitts, but his production is being significantly impacted by the shitty QB play of Desmond Ridder.

**LoneWolf** · 10-06-2023, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Find me one game in the past 2 years where the Chiefs WRs were creating that kind of separation.

Did you see the 2 touchdowns by Toney and Moore in the SuperBowl? That type of separation isn't created by the skill of the receivers. It is created by scheme or by defensive lapses. Receivers in the NFL aren't typically wide open. If they have one step on their defender they are considered open.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 10-06-2023, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Jets gave him a $2.5 million signing bonus which wouldn't touch our cap, his season salary is only $1.5 million. We would easily fit him in.

yep edited the above when I searched for his contract. That would make it much more palatable, but I think we think we are fine. If we add in the yards for the drops, and they become less frequent, I think we will be fine. I wouldn't be against it though.

Wisconsin_Chief · 10-06-2023, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

yep edited the above when I searched for his contract. That would make it much more palatable, but I think we think we are fine. If we add in the yards for the drops, and they become less frequent, I think we will be fine. I wouldn't be against it though.

Like I said, I'm willing to give it a few more weeks, but if we don't see some progress we absolutely have to bring in reinforcements at the trade deadline, and he seems like the most logical choice.

I'm still not ready to give up on these guys, but man I need to see more in a hurry.

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