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Couch-Potato · 10-10-2023, 08:45 PM

Some interesting WRs in the upcoming class, who do you like?

1st - 2nd RD WR Targets:

Keon Coleman, FSU, 6-4, 215, 4.6
Emeka Egbuka, OH ST, 6-1, 205, 4.3
Adonai Mitchell, TX, 6-4, 195, 4.5
Troy Franklin, ORG, 6-3, 185, 4.41
Xavier Legette, SC, 6-1, 225, 4.29
Brian Thomas, LSU, 6-4, 205, 4.35
Xavier Worthy, TX, 6-1, 175, 4.22
Ja'Lynn Polk, WAS, 6-2, 205, 4.48
Johnny Wilson, FSU, 6-7, 235, 4.42
Branden Rice, USC, 6-3, 210, 4.38
Malachi Corley, WKU, 5-11, 200, 4.46
Jermain Burton, BAMA, 6-0, 195, 4.31

*This entire class is tall WTF?

JPH83 · 12-06-2023, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Personally, I like Legette and Coleman.

Hoping we take two WRs in the draft.

We need 2, because we have to hit on 1. Might that be sub-optimal in terms of resource allocation? Probably, but I'd take that risk over whiffing at the position.

Get cheaper at DT with an approach that priorities middling depth over Jones and JAGS, get a WR in FA and 2 in the draft.

We're going to have gaps next year, could be at CB if Sneed goes, DT with Jones, and LT is still an issue, we're going to have to lump it.

Couch-Potato · 12-06-2023, 05:46 AM

Let's say all concerns are eased in free agency around other positions, but there was no cap available for a vet WR.

You can have 1 first RD WR, or 2nd and 3rd RD WRs in the draft.

Who you taking and why?

First Rounders
K. Coleman
E. Egbuka
X. Legette
X. Worthy
T. Franklin
J. Wilson

2nd Rounders
A. Mitchell
B. Thomas Jr
J. Polk
M. Corley
L. McConkey
M. Washington
B. Rice

3rd Rounders
J. Burton
T. Horton
J. Mcmilan
R. Wilson
D. Walker
T. Harris
D. Clark

iSavedLatin · 12-06-2023, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Let's say all concerns are eased in free agency around other positions, but there was no cap available for a vet WR.

You can have 1 first RD WR, or 2nd and 3rd RD WRs in the draft.

Who you taking and why?

First Rounders
K. Coleman
E. Egbuka
X. Legette
X. Worthy
T. Franklin
J. Wilson

2nd Rounders
A. Mitchell
B. Thomas Jr
J. Polk
M. Corley
L. McConkey
M. Washington
B. Rice

3rd Rounders
J. Burton
T. Horton
J. Mcmilan
R. Wilson
D. Walker
T. Harris
D. Clark

If I'm taking someone in round 1, my heart says Legette, but my head says Coleman. Legette gives the offense a much needed speed/size combo it's missing. I'd need someone to talk me out of Legette because he's just so electric, but his route tree is more like a trunk without branches, he's older, and has just one year of production. Coleman is more of a technician, more polished, and would probably be closer to a finished product and ready to contribute sooner.

For 2nd and 3rd rounders, Corley and Burton. Corley is a monster in the open field and Burton has some real dog in him. I would be good with swapping Thomas Jr. in the 2nd for Corley.

kccrow · 12-06-2023, 07:46 PM

Egbuka by a long, long ways.

He's basically Rashee with better route running and quickness. He'd be an outstanding Z.

smith11 · 12-07-2023, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by iSavedLatin

If I'm taking someone in round 1, my heart says Legette, but my head says Coleman. Legette gives the offense a much needed speed/size combo it's missing. I'd need someone to talk me out of Legette because he's just so electric, but his route tree is more like a trunk without branches, he's older, and has just one year of production. Coleman is more of a technician, more polished, and would probably be closer to a finished product and ready to contribute sooner.

For 2nd and 3rd rounders, Corley and Burton. Corley is a monster in the open field and Burton has some real dog in him. I would be good with swapping Thomas Jr. in the 2nd for Corley.

a question needing to be asked is why legette had only 1 year of production

smith11 · 12-07-2023, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Let's say all concerns are eased in free agency around other positions, but there was no cap available for a vet WR.

You can have 1 first RD WR, or 2nd and 3rd RD WRs in the draft.

Who you taking and why?

First Rounders
K. Coleman
E. Egbuka
X. Legette
X. Worthy
T. Franklin
J. Wilson

2nd Rounders
A. Mitchell
B. Thomas Jr
J. Polk
M. Corley
L. McConkey
M. Washington
B. Rice

3rd Rounders
J. Burton
T. Horton
J. Mcmilan
R. Wilson
D. Walker
T. Harris
D. Clark

no Rome Odunze?

BenoniBenko · 12-07-2023, 07:41 AM

Michael Sturdivant -- i've watched a bunch of UCLA games this year. This kid is extremely underrated.

We can look to grab him on day 3 if he's still on the board as our second WR selected in the draft

Couch-Potato · 12-07-2023, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by smith11

no Rome Odunze?

I left the top 3 guys off the list bc I assume they'll go before #30-32.

Truth is if we wanted nearly any of those 2nd rounders, we'd have to take them in the 1st.

kccrow · 12-07-2023, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I left the top 3 guys off the list bc I assume they'll go before #30-32.

Truth is if we wanted nearly any of those 2nd rounders, we'd have to take them in the 1st.

No way.

Something Draftek added to their position rankings is something I used to track manually and that's average number of players by that position drafted per round over the past 6 seasons. We might have to move up in the 2nd for a guy or we might have to take one of the top 1 or 2 guys rated in the 2nd in the 1st, but we wouldn't need to take the majority of those guys in the 1st.

There are probably going to be 5 WRs with 1st round grades (Harrison, Nabers, Odunze, Egbuka, and Coleman), 2 with high 2nd round grades (Franklin and Worthy), 2-3 with mid-2nd round grades (Mitchell and Thomas, maybe Legette), and the rest will be fringe 2nd or later.

I mean, those might change a tad but I don't see it changing astronomically. A fringe 1/2 could sneak into 1, and so on.

O.city · 12-07-2023, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

No way.

Something Draftek added to their position rankings is something I used to track manually and that's average number of players by that position drafted per round over the past 6 seasons. We might have to move up in the 2nd for a guy or we might have to take one of the top 1 or 2 guys rated in the 2nd in the 1st, but we wouldn't need to take the majority of those guys in the 1st.

There are probably going to be 5 WRs with 1st round grades (Harrison, Nabers, Odunze, Egbuka, and Coleman), 2 with high 2nd round grades (Franklin and Worthy), 2-3 with mid-2nd round grades (Mitchell and Thomas, maybe Legette), and the rest will be fringe 2nd or later.

I mean, those might change a tad but I don't see it changing astronomically. A fringe 1/2 could sneak into 1, and so on.

Unless this just ends up being the best WR draft of all time, 3 or 4 of those guys just won't make it in the league.

So while it looks like alot....I dunno. I'm just kinda blah on drafting a WR high. People hate it but I'd rather trade for one.

Couch-Potato · 12-07-2023, 10:20 AM

"Kansas City has struggled with drops this season. Keon Coleman is a ball winner down the field but, more importantly, he has just a 1.1% drop rate on 87 targets this season."

-Interesting note from a CBS mock

Urc Burry · 12-07-2023, 10:33 AM

This isn’t a dig at Coleman. I honestly don’t know, because I haven’t dug in

But where are the stats for him? 650 yards seems kinda low for a guy of his caliber on that team.

Nabers is obviously out of our range, but he has more yards than Coleman and Johnny Wilson combined

kccrow · 12-07-2023, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry

This isn’t a dig at Coleman. I honestly don’t know, because I haven’t dug in

But where are the stats for him? 650 yards seems kinda low for a guy of his caliber on that team.

Nabers is obviously out of our range, but he has more yards than Coleman and Johnny Wilson combined

Discrepancy in ball distribution is one.

FSU threw to their top 2 TEs on 58/207 passes and top 2 RBs on 41/207 passes.
LSU threw to their top 2 TEs on 32/236 passes and top 2 RBs on 19/236 passes.

You also see clearly from that the discrepancy in QBs that push the ball down the field.

I could easily see Worth or Franklin going ahead of Coleman, but there is always a team that likes a big-bodied jump ball WR.

Couch-Potato · 12-07-2023, 04:02 PM

Said it before, but I'd like to see us pursue a big WR.

Would be fun to have a Dez Bryant, DK Metcalf, Michael Thomas, or Mike Evans of our own.

O.city · 12-07-2023, 04:49 PM

See I don't really care about big. Give me a guy that gets open and catches the football.

Big/small whatever.

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Couch-Potato MVP Couch-Potato's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2015	2024 WR Class Some interesting WRs in the upcoming class, who do you like? 1st - 2nd RD WR Targets: Keon Coleman, FSU, 6-4, 215, 4.6 Emeka Egbuka, OH ST, 6-1, 205, 4.3 Adonai Mitchell, TX, 6-4, 195, 4.5 Troy Franklin, ORG, 6-3, 185, 4.41 Xavier Legette, SC, 6-1, 225, 4.29 Brian Thomas, LSU, 6-4, 205, 4.35 Xavier Worthy, TX, 6-1, 175, 4.22 Ja'Lynn Polk, WAS, 6-2, 205, 4.48 Johnny Wilson, FSU, 6-7, 235, 4.42 Branden Rice, USC, 6-3, 210, 4.38 Malachi Corley, WKU, 5-11, 200, 4.46 Jermain Burton, BAMA, 6-0, 195, 4.31 This entire* class is tall WTF? Last edited by Couch-Potato; 03-24-2024 at 01:08 PM..
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Couch-Potato MVP Couch-Potato's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2015	Let's say all concerns are eased in free agency around other positions, but there was no cap available for a vet WR. You can have 1 first RD WR, or 2nd and 3rd RD WRs in the draft. Who you taking and why? First Rounders K. Coleman E. Egbuka X. Legette X. Worthy T. Franklin J. Wilson 2nd Rounders A. Mitchell B. Thomas Jr J. Polk M. Corley L. McConkey M. Washington B. Rice 3rd Rounders J. Burton T. Horton J. Mcmilan R. Wilson D. Walker T. Harris D. Clark Last edited by Couch-Potato; 12-06-2023 at 06:18 AM..
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Urc Burry Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011	This isn’t a dig at Coleman. I honestly don’t know, because I haven’t dug in But where are the stats for him? 650 yards seems kinda low for a guy of his caliber on that team. Nabers is obviously out of our range, but he has more yards than Coleman and Johnny Wilson combined
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