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Old 10-01-2024, 12:59 PM  
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This seems to explain Mahomes happy feet
OL got absolutely wrecked the first 3 drives. Patrick probably felt like he had to get rid for he ball quickly or scramble the rest of the game bc of the early OL play.
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Old 10-01-2024, 11:27 PM   #61
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OL got absolutely wrecked the first 3 drives. Patrick probably felt like he had to get rid for he ball quickly or scramble the rest of the game bc of the early OL play.
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Agreed
Hmm

Which part do you agree with?
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Old 10-02-2024, 02:52 AM   #62
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The most significant change was that Mahomes went from being an MVP to looking like a mere mortal.
Well yeah. The why is what we're trying to figure out. You don't think coaching has something to do with it? With him even saying his fundamentals and mechanics are a mess?
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Old 10-02-2024, 03:08 AM   #63
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Mitch is gem. I love that guy.
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Old 10-02-2024, 06:27 AM   #64
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It was the only significant change unless you think going from Juju to Rice was a significant downgrade. They upgraded at RT and stayed the same/slight downgrade at LT.

The biggest and most consequential change was Nagy.
Yep. It's not rocket science, it's connect the dots.
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The offense doesn't look any different to me though?
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Old 10-02-2024, 07:53 AM   #66
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I think the answer is that there are a few things just a little bit off. I don't think wholesale changes are a good idea. That just introduces more uncertainty. I just think they need to play through it and settle in.
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Some of that from Mitch seems.....a little hard on the OL. If the expectation is a perfect pocket....I dunno. Seems he settled in ok the more the game progressed.
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Some of that from Mitch seems.....a little hard on the OL. If the expectation is a perfect pocket....I dunno. Seems he settled in ok the more the game progressed.
I think they just came out a little flat. Their opponents never do, because KC is the benchmark everyone aims for.

It must be a Herculean effort to be 100% locked in 20 games a year, for four quarters each week. I think it's that simple.
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Some of that from Mitch seems.....a little hard on the OL. If the expectation is a perfect pocket....I dunno. Seems he settled in ok the more the game progressed.
They played against a DL with nobodies and Mack and got their ass kicked the entire first half. They should be called on it.

The Watson miss and Worthy miss was on Trey IMO. You can’t get beat like that and walked back into your QB, especially when the guy that’s open in on that side and you’re blocking the QB’s line of sight.

OL ruined those missed not Patrick
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They didn't get their ass kicked. If getting pushed back a half step or two and reanchoring is getting your ass kicked and causes your QB to do that....then we've got bigger issues.
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The excuses we're kinda going thru to make it so it's not the QB playing poorly are getting a little extreme.

The pocket is a maelstrom. You've gotta be able to feel your way around in there.
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Yeah it was a total loss by the OL on the right side. I don’t think Patrick even saw Watson bc Trey was pushed into his face as Watson got open. Also pressure from Jawaan’s side.

The 2nd half was Patrick’s fault but the first half was the OL.
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How dare you, Mitchell Schwartz.

How dare you question the keen football eyes of such legendary CP talent evaluators like TheTardian and BWillie?

You would place blame on the BEST OFFENSIVE LINE IN FOOTBALL simply to cover for this...this sham? Thus fraud we have suiting up at qb?

Patrick Mahomes is not elite. Hell, he's not even good. Point of fact, Patrick Mahomes flat out sucks and is merely the product of 6 years of the most masterful smoke and mirrors performances by Andy Reid the world has ever seen.

Don't you ever again, Mitchell Schwartz, dare put the poor performances of this paper champion we have posing as a quarterback on our infallible offensive line.

Tardian, BWillie, and the rest of the CP Mahomes truthers, I am sorry that you have been slighted by Mitchell Schwartz in this way.

The world needs to know that Patrick Mahomes was never elite. Just a lucky back yard football turd polished to a diamond shine by the greatest coach that ever lived.
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They didn't get their ass kicked. If getting pushed back a half step or two and reanchoring is getting your ass kicked and causes your QB to do that....then we've got bigger issues.
The first quarter was a little more than 'getting pushed back and re-anchoring..."

It was a concerted effort by SD to just collapse the pocket.

It was almost funny. Again, they weren't really even making rush moves. They were just hammering into the line and attempting to rock the middle.
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The offense doesn't look any different to me though?
Schematically it isn't.

And honestly, I'd be surprised if the aggregate OL 'fail rate' is even any worse than it has been in years past.

We're probably having roughly the same number of 'ick' plays but we're not surrounding them with the splash plays. Maybe there's some cumulative affect on PM so he's getting jumpy. Maybe it's simply that he's missing the shots he usually hits.

Focusing on the 'failed' plays kinda overlooks the fact that in years past, those plays didn't fail even when the OL played at that same level.

We've talked about this as it relates to the run game a lot of times. The studies on this show that the success rate for the OL has a much higher correlation to success on a run play than it does on a pass. And it is essentially across the line.

In other words, for a successful run play, you need 5 guys to all make their blocks.

On a passing play, that correlation isn't nearly as strong. A guy can fail and the play could very easily still work. QBs have far more ability to make chicken salad from chicken shit than RBs do. And that's what's being lost in this conversation.

Great QBs have an almost preternatural ability to make chicken salad from chicken shit. PM is the best (maybe ever) at that when he's playing well.

Right now we're getting some of those same failures we've always had and using them as justifications for a failed play when they didn't used to scuttle that play the way they are at the moment.

The data's out there.

But I do think there's room for a little bit of latitude at least as it relates to that first quarter because what the Chargers did was just completely unique and we clearly were not ready for it. I can see how that might have rattled Mahomes a bit. It doesn't excuse the dog-ass pass he threw to Kelce with a plenty clean pocket or his subsequently smashing Rice's knee, but it might explain why so much of that quarter seemed completely disjointed.
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