***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[ghak99]

Middle of BFE Missouri here again.

When health care providers travel from their large city hospitals to do work at small town hospitals, they apparently bring really fun things with them.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

They can test for influenza.

Most people who get the flu never get tested. Which is why our annual flu numbers are estimates. Or do you think literally 50+ million people a year in this country get tested? I have never, ever had a flu test but I know for damn sure I've had the flu.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Dude, you keep acting like all the factors between NY and Italy exist everywhere and that everywhere MUST be like them when that is patently false.

New Yorkers literally live on top of each other. Maybe you haven't ever been to California but I can tell you they have more traffic than anywhere else in the country. Why? Because everyone has a car. They aren't crammed into subways pressed up against everyone else.

They also tend to live in houses and apartments that don't have one entrance that literally everyone that lives there has to touch.

There are so many ****ing variables it's asinine to think what happens in NY MUST happen everywhere else.

Again, shitloads of people travel up and down the west coast. WA state was the first hot spot. Everyone was sooooo worried about WA state. Yet CA has more cases than them and less total deaths.

So if your argument is that it is just now getting to CA when 2 states away we had the original hot spot I would have to say you're on crack. Not to mention the overall Chinese population in the state of CA. You know, people traveling back and forth from China to CA.

Now you are jumping to strange conclusions. I'm open to the possibility that NY spreads more due to use of public transportation. All I said is it is very unlikely that this virus was community spreading in California in January. Despite everyones best attempt to say my cousins brothers aunt who is an ER worker told me this this and this.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by O.city

I hope more people have had it

I’d bet money that more people have had it without question. Hell my family got hit with a mystery fever that knocked each one of my kids and wife out for almost a week at a time. They all tested negative for influenza A and B. I didn’t get it because I’m invincible.

I heard others will similar stories over the last couple of months.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

There's one now. Thanks for checking in.

The truth is most of the time you are doing nothing more than giving your opinion as fact, you aren't "correcting" jack shit.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by ghak99

Wasn't there some info out there stating that the California virus was a fairly specific source and NY had figured out that they had imported the virus from several different sources? I want to say they had genotyped the virus at various locations and could determine the regions it had traveled through prior to getting to the current host city. Perhaps there are some slight differences resulting in treatment success.

Possibly, I have no idea.

[oaklandhater]

https://abc13.com/6070657/?ex_cid=TA...ource=facebook

$1,000 fine to residents caught without a mask in Laredo, Texas

Laredo not ****ing around.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Do you realize how annoying you can be? I suspect you do and I suspect you will answer this post with a question.

The word you are looking for is pedantic. Pedantic.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

The truth is most of the time you are doing nothing more than giving your opinion as fact, you aren't "correcting" jack shit.

That's incorrect, but let's try to keep the DC animosity there, eh?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Donger

Compared to not wearing any PPE?

Yes if I contaminate the inside of the mask then wear it yes you are better off without. If they leave the house with the mask and don’t take it off , or put in their pocket, car seat , to take a bite to eat , don’t wear it moist or wet or soiled. Then yes it will help protect themselves, in the above scenario it would continue to protect others if she happened to be infected herself.

I wear masks more than most and find it hard wearing one for more than 15 minutes.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

I’d bet money that more people have had it without question. Hell my family got hit with a mystery fever that knocked each one of my kids and wife out for almost a week at a time. They all tested negative for influenza A and B. I didn’t get it because I’m invincible.

I heard others will similar stories over the last couple of months.

This story is told all over the place every day in mass numbers. The reality is we may eventually have an idea how much of it was Covid-19 but we will never know the full extent unfortunately.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by ghak99

Middle of BFE Missouri here again.

When health care providers travel from their large city hospitals to do work at small town hospitals, they apparently bring really fun things with them.

Butt-plugs?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Now you are jumping to strange conclusions. I'm open to the possibility that NY spreads more due to use of public transportation. All I said is it is very unlikely that this virus was community spreading in California in January. Despite everyones best attempt to say my cousins brothers aunt who is an ER worker told me this this and this.

You also said it was "newer" and that they would be getting overrun like Italy and NY. You have no way of knowing any of it.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The word you are looking for is pedantic. Pedantic.

A pedant is a person who is excessively concerned with formalism, accuracy, and precision

The horror.

[oaklandhater]

Digging through the Cook County medical examiner's website. Theres been a noticeable increase in deaths by "pneumonia" and "acute respiratory distress" this week that arent being listed as COVID deaths pic.twitter.com/ZWn2CZDTSn

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