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UChieffyBugger · 10-13-2019, 06:22 PM

The history books tell everyone what is needed to succeed..DEFENSE. And yet here we are, following the same path as the Vikings 98, Rams 2001 and all the other "great" offenses that didn't win a damn thing. Since 2001 the proof is there for all to see!!..Seahawks, Ravens, Denver, Steelers, Patriots, Tampa, Giants etc etc have all won because of good defense and before we waste another year of our genius QB, I believe In the offseason we should tear this thing down and begin the process of building a competent defense so we can have a realistic chance of finally winning a championship.

If it means getting rid of Andy and Veach...DO IT.

If it means getting rid of some of our offensive stars, collecting picks, drafting all defense and spending all the money we have on defense...DO IT

We've seen the mistakes Green bay have made with Rodgers and now finally they have given him a decent defense for the first time In ten years and they look very good. We need to start the process NOW and hopefully Pat would be able to elevate less talented offensive players If need be. Because I simply cannot see any way around this...the current philosophy is a losing hand, PERIOD. We saw it last year and sadly we're gonna see it again this year!!..bank on it.

Chiefshrink · 10-13-2019, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

No we don't.

We need Eric Fisher and Chris Jones.

Sorry Clay the Chiefs were already declining even WITH these guys in the lineup.

Good defenses are recognizing that our offense turns into a "Paper Tiger" when the heat is put on this less than talented o-line that couldn't stop a Pop Warner team rushing the passer or opening a hole.

**petegz28** · 10-13-2019, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

I don’t ****ing care if it’s whining. That BS penalty reversal was the difference between a win and a loss. But go ahead and accept rape up the ass.

The imaginary hold on 4th down killed us. Thought that call was absolutely ****ing bullshit. If it isn't PI then it is holding or illegal contact. We have been getting worked over by the Refs the last 2 games for whatever reason. Seems to me they want to make sure NE has home field for Tommy's going away party.

**petegz28** · 10-13-2019, 07:01 PM

I'd trade Chris Jones tomorrow for a tackling LB and some picks.

Jerm · 10-13-2019, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

Truth hurts. Tell me the Pats get a penalty reversed against them?

Yes the refs give the Pats alllll their wins and alllll their Super Bowls.

God when you morons start talking this shit and call Brady a pedophile it makes this fanbase look like the dumbass inbred hicks everyone else thinks we are.

kcpasco · 10-13-2019, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

Yes the refs give the Pats alllll their wins and alllll their Super Bowls.

God when you morons start talking this shit and call Brady a pedophile it makes this fanbase look like the dumbass inbred hicks everyone else thinks we are.

Does that’s call get reversed if it was the Pats? I’ve never been so pissed about a call. Even if we won that call wants me to hope a ref dies in a horrible way.

TEX · 10-13-2019, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

NE=great QB + great defense.

KC= great QB + great WR + great TE + horrible defense

We need to focus less on the offensive skill positions and more on the defense overall

Hasn't Veach been building the defense for two years now?

Hammock Parties · 10-13-2019, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Sorry Clay the Chiefs were already declining even WITH these guys in the lineup.

Good defenses are recognizing that our offense turns into a "Paper Tiger" when the heat is put on this less than talented o-line that couldn't stop a Pop Warner team rushing the passer or opening a hole.

1. Undefeated with Fisher.

2. Chris Jones would have dominated the game today and probably would have been enough to bring home the W. Watson was pressured maybe 2-3 times.

This team just needs to get healthy.

Chief Northman · 10-13-2019, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I'd trade Chris Jones tomorrow for a tackling LB and some picks.

No.

He’s the only guy that can draw doubles and disrupt the passing game. He freelances on run, but at least he’s made plays.

Veach can find better LB’s than Nieman and Lee on the scrap heap. Hell, Ragland would be better starting right now than either of these two.
I say trade for Trent Williams and kick Fisher to guard. Let Hitchens, Watkins and Fisher walk next year along with Colquitt and Sherman. Draft OL/DL and secondary. Find some decent FA linebackers...

Jerm · 10-13-2019, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

Does that’s call get reversed if it was the Pats? I’ve never been so pissed about a call. Even if we won that call wants me to hope a ref dies in a horrible way.

WHO GIVES A **** IF IT DOES....

Do you think we've never had a call go our way?

The refs sucked but if you're pinning this loss on them than whatever, not even close to the case...

kcpasco · 10-13-2019, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

WHO GIVES A **** IF IT DOES....

Do you think we've never had a call go our way?

The refs sucked but if you're pinning this loss on them than whatever, not even close to the case...

It wasn’t just a call going against us. They literally huddled and decided to rape us in the ass with a 10 ft dildo. I’ve never seen that before. Because Chiefs I guess.

JakeF · 10-13-2019, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

I'd trade Chris Jones tomorrow for a tackling LB and some picks.

If i thought Veach and Reid knew who to trade Jones for i would all over that. What makes anyone think that Veach/Reid know what do with anything?

I don't want to hear any bullshit about Veach and Mahomes either. After watching Veach work after Dorsey was fired, i wonder if he knows a single ****ing thing. Maybe Mahomes was pure luck or maybe the rumor that Veach found Mahomes was bullshit created to mollify a fanbase because we were about to fire the GM who just drafted a Franchise QB.

I don't know, but so far Veach/Reid looks like shit.

**petegz28** · 10-13-2019, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

If i thought Veach and Reid knew who to trade Jones for i would all over that. What makes anyone think that Veach/Reid know what do with anything?

I don't want to hear any bullshit about Veach and Mahomes either. After watching Veach work after Dorsey was fired, i wonder if he knows a single ****ing thing. Maybe Mahomes was pure luck or maybe the rumor that Veach found Mahomes was bullshit created to mollify a fanbase because we were about to fire the GM who just drafted a Franchise QB.

I don't know, but so far Veach/Reid looks like shit.

Everyone was pretty high on the Hitchens deal and he hasn't worked out now everyone doesn't like it

Everyone was stoked about Frank Clark and that is challenging and now everyone doesn't like it

He did draft Juan Thornhill
He did get Honey Badger
He brought in Breeland

All 3 moves people were good with until......

I'm not defending Veach but everyone or a lot of people seem to be for all these moves until they aren't.

UChieffyBugger · 10-13-2019, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman

No.

He’s the only guy that can draw doubles and disrupt the passing game. He freelances on run, but at least he’s made plays.

Veach can find better LB’s than Nieman and Lee on the scrap heap. Hell, Ragland would be better starting right now than either of these two.
I say trade for Trent Williams and kick Fisher to guard. Let Hitchens, Watkins and Fisher walk next year along with Colquitt and Sherman. Draft OL/DL and secondary. Find some decent FA linebackers...

This won't work imo...the defense needs a total overhaul and putting a plaster over the wound is not gonna solve it. Jones is NOT good enough defending the run so whats the point in keeping him? It's time for a change.

WhiteWhale · 10-13-2019, 09:00 PM

Just give me more varied and dynamic playcalling.

Shot gun pass

Shot gun pass

Shot gun pass

isn't working. Let's mix it up. Give teams more to think about. The lack of creativity this week baffled me given Tyreek playing.

WhiteWhale · 10-13-2019, 09:03 PM

Also, the problems with Veach are related to Dorsey. It's YEARS of bad drafting on the defensive side that has put us here. That's on the HC, that's on the GM, that's on the scouting department, and it's on the guys tasked with developing defensive talent.

Making a bunch of lateral moves (trading pass rush for coverage) while hiring a shitty DC wasn't a good plan either.

10-13-2019, 06:22 PM
UChieffyBugger CP'S "MOST HATED" 😆 UChieffyBugger's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2018	WE NEED A CULTURE CHANGE!! The history books tell everyone what is needed to succeed..DEFENSE. And yet here we are, following the same path as the Vikings 98, Rams 2001 and all the other "great" offenses that didn't win a damn thing. Since 2001 the proof is there for all to see!!..Seahawks, Ravens, Denver, Steelers, Patriots, Tampa, Giants etc etc have all won because of good defense and before we waste another year of our genius QB, I believe In the offseason we should tear this thing down and begin the process of building a competent defense so we can have a realistic chance of finally winning a championship. If it means getting rid of Andy and Veach...DO IT. If it means getting rid of some of our offensive stars, collecting picks, drafting all defense and spending all the money we have on defense...DO IT We've seen the mistakes Green bay have made with Rodgers and now finally they have given him a decent defense for the first time In ten years and they look very good. We need to start the process NOW and hopefully Pat would be able to elevate less talented offensive players If need be. Because I simply cannot see any way around this...the current philosophy is a losing hand, PERIOD. We saw it last year and sadly we're gonna see it again this year!!..bank on it. Last edited by UChieffyBugger; 10-13-2019 at 06:33 PM..
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WhiteWhale Bring it on Ahab! WhiteWhale's Avatar Join Date: May 2011 Location: Doo-Dah	Just give me more varied and dynamic playcalling. Shot gun pass Shot gun pass Shot gun pass isn't working. Let's mix it up. Give teams more to think about. The lack of creativity this week baffled me given Tyreek playing.
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WhiteWhale Bring it on Ahab! WhiteWhale's Avatar Join Date: May 2011 Location: Doo-Dah	Also, the problems with Veach are related to Dorsey. It's YEARS of bad drafting on the defensive side that has put us here. That's on the HC, that's on the GM, that's on the scouting department, and it's on the guys tasked with developing defensive talent. Making a bunch of lateral moves (trading pass rush for coverage) while hiring a shitty DC wasn't a good plan either.
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