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Old 10-26-2020, 09:55 AM   #2
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Fact: Pats defense is good this year. 4th in AFC SRS or +4.6 points above the avg defense. Right about where the Chiefs are.


Their offense is 15th in the AFC at -5.9 below avg, ahead of only the Jets. Pretty easy to draw a conclusion on why they’re struggling to win.
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Old 10-26-2020, 10:03 AM   #3
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BB is 20-23 lifetime in NE without brady . ( mic drop?)
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:30 AM   #4
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Dumbest argument in the world? A QB can carry a bad team/coach. My God.
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:33 AM   #5
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What great qb has recently won a super bowl with a shitty coach/team?
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Old 10-26-2020, 01:12 PM   #6
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What great qb has recently won a super bowl with a shitty coach/team?
It isn't about the team.

We're talking about QB's vs. coaches.

Several teams have won Super Bowls with great QB's and mediocre coaches. The most recent that comes to mind is Denver in 2015.
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Old 10-26-2020, 01:28 PM   #7
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What great qb has recently won a super bowl with a shitty coach/team?
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It isn't about the team.

We're talking about QB's vs. coaches.

Several teams have won Super Bowls with great QB's and mediocre coaches. The most recent that comes to mind is Denver in 2015.
My post was in response to the post right above it.

But take out the team element.

What great qb has won with a shit coach?

You say peyton but he was anything but great that year. That super bowl win didn't have shit to do with peyton.
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Old 10-26-2020, 01:40 PM   #8
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You say peyton but he was anything but great that year. That super bowl win didn't have shit to do with peyton.
...and Von Miller won SuperBowl MVP if I remember correctly.
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Old 10-26-2020, 05:05 PM   #9
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It isn't about the team.

We're talking about QB's vs. coaches.

Several teams have won Super Bowls with great QB's and mediocre coaches. The most recent that comes to mind is Denver in 2015.
Wat

Denver had the worst QB in the league in 2015 and won because of a historic defense.

Peyton Manning was the worst QB in the league that year, the very worst.

T34 out of 34 QB's in QB rating. He was out of the league after. He got lucky. Denver pulled his ass to a free Super Bowl. He deserved one though before, and didn't get one. Didn't deserve it that year and got one. Funny how that happens.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...15/passing.htm
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:50 AM   #10
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These are the facts:

The Patriots' elaborate cheating schemes began in 2001, which also happened to be the year their run of dominance began.

Prior to Brady taking the reins, Bill was 41-57 as a head coach. He's now 2-4 since. And it's not as if he had zero talent at QB. He had Bledsoe, Testaverde in his prime, Bernie Kosar and now Newton. Andy won 11/year with Alex (and generally a weak defense).

This isn't to say that Belichick isn't a great defensive coach or a solid coach overall. But I think it's time to slow down with the GOAT and "genius" talk.
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How many Super Bowls has Von Miller been to without Manning?
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How many Super Bowls has Von Miller been to without Manning?
Peyton was benched during the season that year. He threw something like 9 tds and 17 ints during the regular season. Go die on some other hill.

You could probably convince me russell Wilson won with a shit coach but even then I think the defense carried that team more than wilson did that season. And if you presented me that one as an example I'd tell you foles won the super bowl more recently due to coaching more so than qb talent.
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Old 10-26-2020, 01:51 PM   #15
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Peyton was benched during the season that year. He threw something like 9 tds and 17 ints during the regular season. Go die on some other hill.

You could probably convince me russell Wilson won with a shit coach but even then I think the defense carried that team more than wilson did that season. And if you presented me that one as an example I'd tell you foles won the super bowl more recently due to coaching more so than qb talent.
I guess we'll see, won't we?

BB ain't winning shit without Brady.
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