The Black QB

[Ubeja Vontell]

Originally Posted by scho63

Jimmy the Greek approves of this thread.

Jimmy the Greek totally nailed it.

Gus Cannon is the leader of The Gus Cannon Jug Band who recorded back in the late 20's early 30's, he was born in the 1880's, his father was a slave.

Cannon...

My dad talked about the owner pairing that big strong buck with that big stout woman, looking to produce a better worker.

Something like that, yes it did happen. Then you can't ignore how only the strong survived the trip over here, all the weak ones died along the way so..............

[Mennonite]

[kccrow]

Why do we care what race a QB is? Seriously. I've seen this pop up in media discussions several times. It's not like there haven't been good "black" QBs in the past and many of those have been pointed out. Is there something special about it that I'm not seeing? Black athletes dominate sports in terms of numbers, yet it needs to be made into something special if they play QB in the NFL or play hockey in the NHL? A good QB is a good QB and race has absolutely ****ing nothing to do with it in my eyes.

[Ubeja Vontell]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Why do we care what race a QB is? Seriously. I've seen this pop up in media discussions several times. It's not like there haven't been good "black" QBs in the past and many of those have been pointed out. Is there something special about it that I'm not seeing? Black athletes dominate sports in terms of numbers, yet it needs to be made into something special if they play QB in the NFL or play hockey in the NHL? A good QB is a good QB and race has absolutely ****ing nothing to do with it in my eyes.

Google

Doug Williams....you will read first black QB to win the Superbowl
Howard Drew....you will read the first black Worlds Fastest Human
Hattie McDaneil.....first black to win an Oscar
Ernie Davis.....first black to win the Heisman...........movie made
Jackie Robinson....first black in MLB........movie made
Joe "Jet" Perry.....first black to gain a 1000 yards in an NFL season
Deford Bailey,,,,,first black at the Grand Old Opry
George "Little Chocolate" Dixn....first black to hold a boxng world title
Willie Thrower....first black to start an NFL game

Then it works like this also...

Christophe LeMaitre....frst caucasian to break 10.00 in a 100m
Jim Gregory....first white QB at Grambling.......move made


So yes people care.

[banecat]

Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell

Google

Doug Williams....you will read first black QB to win the Superbowl
Howard Drew....you will read the first black Worlds Fastest Human
Hattie McDaneil.....first black to win an Oscar
Ernie Davis.....first black to win the Heisman...........movie made
Jackie Robinson....first black in MLB........movie made
Joe "Jet" Perry.....first black to gain a 1000 yards in an NFL season
Deford Bailey,,,,,first black at the Grand Old Opry
George "Little Chocolate" Dixn....first black to hold a boxng world title
Willie Thrower....first black to start an NFL game

Then it works like this also...

Christophe LeMaitre....frst caucasian to break 10.00 in a 100m
Jim Gregory....first white QB at Grambling.......move made


So yes people care.

You forgot The Juice. The first player to rush for over 2,000 yards in a season

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell

Google

Doug Williams....you will read first black QB to win the Superbowl
Howard Drew....you will read the first black Worlds Fastest Human
Hattie McDaneil.....first black to win an Oscar
Ernie Davis.....first black to win the Heisman...........movie made
Jackie Robinson....first black in MLB........movie made
Joe "Jet" Perry.....first black to gain a 1000 yards in an NFL season
Deford Bailey,,,,,first black at the Grand Old Opry
George "Little Chocolate" Dixn....first black to hold a boxng world title
Willie Thrower....first black to start an NFL game

Then it works like this also...

Christophe LeMaitre....frst caucasian to break 10.00 in a 100m
Jim Gregory....first white QB at Grambling.......move made


So yes people care.

Nobody gives a flying **** anywhere in my universe. You know who talks about black QBs, primarily? People who had issue with the Kaepernick debacle. And you know what? The NFL didn't blackball Kaepernick because he was black. In a league that supports more black people than any other, a man decided to use it as his personal dumping ground for racial injustice and at the same time desecrated the National Anthem. The NFL has made it clear to him that they will not tolerate it.

And on the same front, racial injustice does exist in society. It doesn't exist in the NFL at the QB position. The NFL and its owners have not passed on black QBs that have shown promise. They have given them opportunities. Some have flourished, many haven't. So really, drop the bullshit that people care that a QB is black. They don't. They care that the QB is good. Period.

You're great at using Google, you proved that in the past. It's your only source of knowledge.

[Ubeja Vontell]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Nobody gives a flying **** anywhere in my universe. You know who talks about black QBs, primarily? People who had issue with the Kaepernick debacle. And you know what? The NFL didn't blackball Kaepernick because he was black. In a league that supports more black people than any other, a man decided to use it as his personal dumping ground for racial injustice and at the same time desecrated the National Anthem. The NFL has made it clear to him that they will not tolerate it.

And on the same front, racial injustice does exist in society. It doesn't exist in the NFL at the QB position. The NFL and its owners have not passed on black QBs that have shown promise. They have given them opportunities. Some have flourished, many haven't. So really, drop the bullshit that people care that a QB is black. They don't. They care that the QB is good. Period.

You're great at using Google, you proved that in the past. It's your only source of knowledge.

So why this.....

Hattie McDaniel (June 10, 1893 – October 26, 1952) was an American actress of stage and screen, professional singer-songwriter, and comedian. She is best known for her role as "Mammy" in Gone with the Wind (1939), for which she won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, the first Oscar won by a black entertainer.

Why do we need to be told she was the first anything....well?

Ernest Davis (December 14, 1939 – May 18, 1963) was an American football player, a halfback who won the Heisman Trophy in 1961 and was its first African-American recipient.

So why do we care if he was the first African American....right?

How about this....

Christophe Lemaitre[1] (French pronunciation: ​[kʁistɔf ləmɛtʁ]; born 11 June 1990) is a French sprinter who specialises in the 100 and 200 metres. In 2010, Lemaitre became the first white athlete to break the 10-second barrier in an officially timed 100 m event. He remained the only one to achieve the feat until joined by Ramil Guliyev and Filippo Tortu. Lemaitre has run a sub-10 second 100m on seven occasions: three times in 2010 and four times in 2011. He won a bronze medal in the 4 × 100 m relay at the 2012 London Olympic Games and in the 200 metres at the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics.

So tell me why do we care about him being white....right?

Dude, you are so wrong it's comical


Here have another......

Jack Roosevelt Robinson (January 31, 1919 – October 24, 1972) was an American professional baseball player who became the first African American to play in Major League Baseball (MLB) in the modern era.[1] Robinson broke the baseball color line when he started at first base for the Brooklyn Dodgers on April 15, 1947.[2] When the Dodgers signed Robinson, they heralded the end of racial segregation in professional baseball that had relegated black players to the Negro leagues since the 1880s.[3] Robinson was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1962.[4]

You sure nobody gives a ****?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell

So why this.....

Hattie McDaniel (June 10, 1893 – October 26, 1952) was an American actress of stage and screen, professional singer-songwriter, and comedian. She is best known for her role as "Mammy" in Gone with the Wind (1939), for which she won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, the first Oscar won by a black entertainer.

Why do we need to be told she was the first anything....well?

Ernest Davis (December 14, 1939 – May 18, 1963) was an American football player, a halfback who won the Heisman Trophy in 1961 and was its first African-American recipient.

So why do we care if he was the first African American....right?

How about this....

They were firsts. Breakthroughs into a world where African-Americans previously weren't allowed.

Talking about a "black" NFL QB now? Ridiculous. There have been hundreds. There have been great ones, good ones, average ones, shitty ones, completely incompetent busts, etc.

What now makes mention of it more redeeming? Because there are more good ones now than there has been in the past?

At what point are you satiated? When they are all black? Would that make it somehow a greater accomplishment?

I really don't understand why you're pushing on this. What's the agenda? You are devoid of any substance here other than reciting Google results of the past. Why does it matter? Perhaps that's the biggest question. And, why does it matter to you?

[Demonpenz]

Old ass owners and GM's were too dumb to put the ball in the best athletes hands at the most important position in sports. Randell Cuttingham doing RPO's and quick options and read options would have been nice.

[Ubeja Vontell]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Old ass owners and GM's were too dumb to put the ball in the best athletes hands at the most important position in sports. Randell Cuttingham doing RPO's and quick options and read options would have been nice.

Bingo!!!!

[njchiefs]

The obvious danger of having this discussion is that if one can attribute a particular athletic ability to an ethnic origin or a genetic trait more prevalent in a given race, then non athletic genetic prevalences are fair game as well... Bell Curve stuff. A slippery slope. And one best left alone. BTW, my 5’4” Filipino father had the best underhanded 3 point jump shot on the planet.

[Ubeja Vontell]

Originally Posted by njchiefs

The obvious danger of having this discussion is that if one can attribute a particular athletic ability to an ethnic origin or a genetic trait more prevalent in a given race, then non athletic genetic prevalences are fair game as well... Bell Curve stuff. A slippery slope. And one best left alone. BTW, my 5’4” Filipino father had the best underhanded 3 point jump shot on the planet.

What danger just open your eyes and there it is.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Ubeja Vontell Would you have a problem with someone saying it’s the rise of the white running back? Christian McCaffrey Is the best RB in the NFL right now.

[Ubeja Vontell]

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP

Ubeja Vontell Would you have a problem with someone saying it’s the rise of the white running back? Christian McCaffrey Is the best RB in the NFL right now.

There have been TONS of great white running backs over the years, how about...

Hall of Famers

The Galloping Ghost
Steve Van Buren
Bronko Nagurski
Johnny "Blood" McNalley
Hugh "King" McElhenny
Frank Gifford
Jim Taylor
Paul Hornung
John Riggins

1000 yard rushers

Rick Casares
John David Crow,,,,Paul Brown talked about trading Jim Brown to get this guy.
Craig James
Peyton Hillis

studs

Keith Lincoln
Dickie Post
Alan "The Horse" Ameche
Alex Webster
Larry Csonka
Nick Pietrasonte
Ken Williard

So white running backs are nothing new.

But....McCaffrey has an unfair advantage, here is is grandpa at the 1960 Olympics, he is in lane one.

(NFLer to be Frank Budd/Ray Norton in two.three)