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TambaBerry · 01-19-2021, 03:33 PM

So, I've seen multiple people not on here bitching about a fumble that goes into the end zone. They all say it's such a stupid rule and that we got lucky. Nobody ever says anything about how to fix it. So, I'm curious what people think a way to fix it would be.

smithandrew051 · 01-19-2021, 04:32 PM

There are 200 yards of sideline where fumbling the ball out of bounds benefits the offense.

The end zones are the only places where fumbling out of bounds benefits the defense.

I think the rule is fine. The ball being fumbled out of bounds is normally dependent on a lucky bounce anyway. Most of that luck will benefit the offense anyway.

RedRaider56 · 01-19-2021, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

The issue with the idea of changing the rule is that people don't think through how the rule change will change how people APPROACH the game. I really have no interest in making it super easy for guys to constantly dive at the pylon with the ball just barely held in their hand since they know there won't be any consequences if they fumble it.

Cleveland's coach was asked about this and he basically said, Higgins screwed up. We tell them not to dive and extend the ball just for the specific reason of fumbling the ball through or out of the end zone. He didn't have an issue.

Marcellus · 01-19-2021, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Did you watch the halftime show on CBS?

Those ****asses were crying whale tears.

Bill Cowturd specifically.

Everyone needs to

about changing rules that have been in place forever and that align with the other rules in the game.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 01-19-2021, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tyecopeland

I'm of the mindset that the sideline should be ruled the same throughout. If a player reaches for a first down and fumbles and the ball goes out of bounds they get the ball where it was fumbled. I think it should be the same at the endzone. Now if the ball goes out the back of the endzone I could see it being a touchback. Because the defense had lost opportunity to recover the ball since there was less field to get to it.

The 100 yards between the endzones is neutral territory, the endzone is being defended as the defender's territory. This logic is very clear why they are treated differently.

Megatron96 · 01-19-2021, 04:46 PM

Like there aren't enough rules that already favor the offense.

jettio · 01-19-2021, 05:02 PM

Considering that it is only the sports nerds complaining about the rule and everyone on the competition committee played tackle football before coaching tackle football, the rule should always remain the same.

The first time I saw the rule enforced was in the 70's when a big guy on defense was trying to return a fumble or interception back and the offensive player caught up and punched the ball out at the 5 yard line and the ball rolled out of the back of the endzone. It was interesting to find out what the rule was, but it did not seem unfair at all.

The complaint about the rule is more about how kids have been raised in the last 50 years. And, how the NFL has a lot of fans that never played tackle football but care a lot about fantasy football and daily fantasy football.

Maybe they could change the rules in fantasy football and dock a player 15 fantasy points whenever he fumbles anywhere on the field. No matter who recovers the ball or if it goes out of bounds or out of the endzone.

CapsLockKey · 01-19-2021, 05:13 PM

The rule only feels unfair when applying it to the dive at the pylon situation. Most other situations it seems reasonable to me.

Megatron96 · 01-19-2021, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CapsLockKey

The rule only feels unfair when applying it to the dive at the pylon situation. Most other situations it seems reasonable to me.

Please dear God in Heaven, can we not have the NFL decide to create an entirely new rule just for "diving at the goddamned pylon"?

Please and thank you.

Amen.

prhom · 01-19-2021, 05:21 PM

I say keep it as it is. The offense benefits if they fumble and it goes out of bounds anywhere other than fumbling it into either end zone because they get to keep it by default. It’s a very small portion of the field (either end zone) where if the offense fumbles it and it goes out of bounds they lose it. When you think of it in those terms, it’s not so lopsided.

EDIT: I see others made the same point and agree completely.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 01-19-2021, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CapsLockKey

The rule only feels unfair when applying it to the dive at the pylon situation. Most other situations it seems reasonable to me.

WTF, reaching for the pylon is no different than LeShon McCoy carrying the ball like a loaf of bread, both are ill advised and should carry said risk...

**Bearcat** · 01-19-2021, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

I have always been in favor of the rule... always will be. You are defending that area from the offense, if they fumble into your area and it goes out of play, they should lose possession...

I've always thought it was a little weird, but I like this logic. The end zones are special and "owned by the team" as it was mentioned. And preventing players from being reckless with the ball near the pylon/goal line makes sense, too.

The best and really only alternative I could think of would be to make it a 15 yard penalty from the spot of the fumble, but the best solution has always been to not fumble into/out of the end zone.

philfree · 01-19-2021, 05:41 PM

If you can't control the ball near the goal line and you fumble through the end zone you don't deserve it. I hate the kickoff rules these days with the same thoughts. If you can't control the ball in the end zone on a kickoff you don't deserve it.

Bl00dyBizkitz · 01-19-2021, 05:43 PM

Remember when Derek Carr would regularly fumble the ball at the pylon cause his dumbass would leave the ball unsecured waiting for some one to punch it out?

Why was nobody complaining about the rule then?

EPodolak · 01-19-2021, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

Remember when Derek Carr would regularly fumble the ball at the pylon cause his dumbass would leave the ball unsecured waiting for some one to punch it out?

Why was nobody complaining about the rule then?

Your answer is in your question.

Danguardace · 01-19-2021, 06:02 PM

Reminds of when people complained about over time rules after 2018, these changes will not make the game any better.

01-19-2021, 03:33 PM
TambaBerry MVP TambaBerry's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2013	Fumbling into the end zone So, I've seen multiple people not on here bitching about a fumble that goes into the end zone. They all say it's such a stupid rule and that we got lucky. Nobody ever says anything about how to fix it. So, I'm curious what people think a way to fix it would be.
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01-19-2021, 04:32 PM	#46
smithandrew051 I Like The Kansas City Chiefs smithandrew051's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Shawnee, KS	There are 200 yards of sideline where fumbling the ball out of bounds benefits the offense. The end zones are the only places where fumbling out of bounds benefits the defense. I think the rule is fine. The ball being fumbled out of bounds is normally dependent on a lucky bounce anyway. Most of that luck will benefit the offense anyway.
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01-19-2021, 04:46 PM	#50
Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Megatron96's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Like there aren't enough rules that already favor the offense.
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01-19-2021, 05:02 PM	#51
jettio MVP Join Date: Sep 2002	Considering that it is only the sports nerds complaining about the rule and everyone on the competition committee played tackle football before coaching tackle football, the rule should always remain the same. The first time I saw the rule enforced was in the 70's when a big guy on defense was trying to return a fumble or interception back and the offensive player caught up and punched the ball out at the 5 yard line and the ball rolled out of the back of the endzone. It was interesting to find out what the rule was, but it did not seem unfair at all. The complaint about the rule is more about how kids have been raised in the last 50 years. And, how the NFL has a lot of fans that never played tackle football but care a lot about fantasy football and daily fantasy football. Maybe they could change the rules in fantasy football and dock a player 15 fantasy points whenever he fumbles anywhere on the field. No matter who recovers the ball or if it goes out of bounds or out of the endzone.
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01-19-2021, 05:13 PM	#52
CapsLockKey Starter CapsLockKey's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2009	The rule only feels unfair when applying it to the dive at the pylon situation. Most other situations it seems reasonable to me.
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01-19-2021, 05:21 PM	#54
prhom Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Denver	I say keep it as it is. The offense benefits if they fumble and it goes out of bounds anywhere other than fumbling it into either end zone because they get to keep it by default. It’s a very small portion of the field (either end zone) where if the offense fumbles it and it goes out of bounds they lose it. When you think of it in those terms, it’s not so lopsided. EDIT: I see others made the same point and agree completely.
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01-19-2021, 05:41 PM	#57
philfree Indian Twitter philfree's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency	If you can't control the ball near the goal line and you fumble through the end zone you don't deserve it. I hate the kickoff rules these days with the same thoughts. If you can't control the ball in the end zone on a kickoff you don't deserve it.
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01-19-2021, 05:43 PM	#58
Bl00dyBizkitz Veteran Join Date: Nov 2013	Remember when Derek Carr would regularly fumble the ball at the pylon cause his dumbass would leave the ball unsecured waiting for some one to punch it out? Why was nobody complaining about the rule then?
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01-19-2021, 06:02 PM	#60
Danguardace Veteran Danguardace's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Shrewsbury England	Reminds of when people complained about over time rules after 2018, these changes will not make the game any better.
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