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TambaBerry · 01-19-2021, 03:33 PM

So, I've seen multiple people not on here bitching about a fumble that goes into the end zone. They all say it's such a stupid rule and that we got lucky. Nobody ever says anything about how to fix it. So, I'm curious what people think a way to fix it would be.

old_geezer · 01-19-2021, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry

right? I don't know what else to tell people. It is a risk you take when you extend the ball.

That's my feelings exactly. You know the rule so it's up to you; Extend the ball out in front of yourself at your own risk. It's been that way forever and I've never thought it was a bad rule no matter who fumbled it away.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 01-19-2021, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Chris Simms on his podcast talked about it.

I hadn't considered it this way, but he said the field is shared by the teams. The endzones are owned by the team. Accordingly the rules are different for the endzones than the field. His position is that the rule is consistent with the rest of the rules for the endzone.

He said he was open to giving the other team the ball at the one yardline.

I guess I agree with all of it. Don't fumble the ****ing football.

^this^ the most precious 20 yards on the field are the 2 end zones. These 2 10 yard areas are being defended by the opposing team. If you fumble before the goal line and the ball goes out of the endzone, you forfeited position of that ball to the defending team, same with picks and recovered fumbles that are in the same endzone, the ball is brought out to the 20. I will be pissed if they change the rule, if your reach the ball out you are creating a chance of jeopardy on the offenses part, as it should.

Oxford · 01-19-2021, 04:02 PM

Okay, if a Kickoff goes goes through the endzone, it comes to where? The 25 yard line

If you change the rule than taking a knee in the endzone (on a kickoff) would be a safety? On a punt if it went into the endzone, could it be recovered by the kicking team for a TD?

JUST LEAVE THE RULE ALONE

staylor26 · 01-19-2021, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Chris Simms on his podcast talked about it.

I hadn't considered it this way, but he said the field is shared by the teams. The endzones are owned by the team. Accordingly the rules are different for the endzones than the field. His position is that the rule is consistent with the rest of the rules for the endzone.

He said he was open to giving the other team the ball at the one yardline.

I guess I agree with all of it. Don't fumble the ****ing football.

It makes total sense. I have never had a problem with this rule because I understand this concept.

Lprechaun · 01-19-2021, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

I love how ChiefsPlanet is suddenly in love with this rule.

I've never had a problem with it. If this much [ ] is enough to say the ball crossed the plain of goal line than a rule that rarely comes in to play where an offensive player loses possession of the ball and it rolls forward into and out of the endzone it should penalize the offense.

old_geezer · 01-19-2021, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

I love how ChiefsPlanet is suddenly in love with this rule.

I'm not "in love with the rule", I've just never had a problem with it before and I see no reason to change it suddenly because of one game.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 01-19-2021, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

I love how ChiefsPlanet is suddenly in love with this rule.

I have always been in favor of the rule... always will be. You are defending that area from the offense, if they fumble into your area and it goes out of play, they should lose possession...

DanT · 01-19-2021, 04:07 PM

Both parts of the rule for fumbling in the end zone make perfect sense to me:

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules...0a%20touchback.

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Item 4. Out of Bounds in End Zone. When a fumble goes out of bounds in the end zone, the following shall apply:

1. If a ball is fumbled in the field of play, and goes forward into the opponent’s end zone and over the end line or sideline, a touchback is awarded to the defensive team; or

2. If a ball is fumbled in a team’s own end zone or in the field of play and goes out of bounds in the end zone, it is a safety, if that team provided the impetus that sent the ball into the end zone (See 11-5-1 for exception for momentum). If the impetus was provided by the opponent, it is a touchback.

staylor26 · 01-19-2021, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

I love how ChiefsPlanet is suddenly in love with this rule.

Why would anybody be “in love” with a rule?

It’s about understanding the rule and seeing the logic behind it.

**Buehler445** · 01-19-2021, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu

I love how ChiefsPlanet is suddenly in love with this rule.

It's not that. If one of our jackasses fumble it out of the endzone, I'll be pissed at the jackass, not the rule. (I'm looking at you, Robinson)

A Salt Weapon · 01-19-2021, 04:13 PM

The rule is fine and every team has been on both sides of it. The offense only has to cross the plane as it is, if they lose the ball within fumble range and it goes out it’s a good rule. Now if offense had to maintain possession through the end zone or something along the same lines it could be changed. But with the current rules of the offense only having to cross the plane, leaving the fumble rule as is works.

**luv** · 01-19-2021, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Chris Simms on his podcast talked about it.

I hadn't considered it this way, but he said the field is shared by the teams. The endzones are owned by the team. Accordingly the rules are different for the endzones than the field. His position is that the rule is consistent with the rest of the rules for the endzone.

He said he was open to giving the other team the ball at the one yardline.

I guess I agree with all of it. Don't fumble the ****ing football.

I actually just watched that podcast this morning. Will definitely be making it a regular.

Spott · 01-19-2021, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DanBecky

Personally have never had an issue with the rule. I’m fine with it.

Same here. If you fumble the ball out of the end zone, you shouldn’t be rewarded with getting the ball back to try again.

tyecopeland · 01-19-2021, 04:28 PM

I'm of the mindset that the sideline should be ruled the same throughout. If a player reaches for a first down and fumbles and the ball goes out of bounds they get the ball where it was fumbled. I think it should be the same at the endzone. Now if the ball goes out the back of the endzone I could see it being a touchback. Because the defense had lost opportunity to recover the ball since there was less field to get to it.

**DaFace** · 01-19-2021, 04:29 PM

The issue with the idea of changing the rule is that people don't think through how the rule change will change how people APPROACH the game. I really have no interest in making it super easy for guys to constantly dive at the pylon with the ball just barely held in their hand since they know there won't be any consequences if they fumble it.

01-19-2021, 03:33 PM
TambaBerry MVP TambaBerry's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2013	Fumbling into the end zone So, I've seen multiple people not on here bitching about a fumble that goes into the end zone. They all say it's such a stupid rule and that we got lucky. Nobody ever says anything about how to fix it. So, I'm curious what people think a way to fix it would be.
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01-19-2021, 04:02 PM	#33
Oxford Regular Oxford's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Springfield,MO	Okay, if a Kickoff goes goes through the endzone, it comes to where? The 25 yard line If you change the rule than taking a knee in the endzone (on a kickoff) would be a safety? On a punt if it went into the endzone, could it be recovered by the kicking team for a TD? JUST LEAVE THE RULE ALONE
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01-19-2021, 04:13 PM	#41
A Salt Weapon Rookie A Salt Weapon's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Alaska	The rule is fine and every team has been on both sides of it. The offense only has to cross the plane as it is, if they lose the ball within fumble range and it goes out it’s a good rule. Now if offense had to maintain possession through the end zone or something along the same lines it could be changed. But with the current rules of the offense only having to cross the plane, leaving the fumble rule as is works.
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01-19-2021, 04:28 PM	#44
tyecopeland Veteran tyecopeland's Avatar Join Date: May 2019	I'm of the mindset that the sideline should be ruled the same throughout. If a player reaches for a first down and fumbles and the ball goes out of bounds they get the ball where it was fumbled. I think it should be the same at the endzone. Now if the ball goes out the back of the endzone I could see it being a touchback. Because the defense had lost opportunity to recover the ball since there was less field to get to it.
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01-19-2021, 04:29 PM	#45
DaFace Kind of a mod DaFace's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land	The issue with the idea of changing the rule is that people don't think through how the rule change will change how people APPROACH the game. I really have no interest in making it super easy for guys to constantly dive at the pylon with the ball just barely held in their hand since they know there won't be any consequences if they fumble it.
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