NFL likely banning hip-drop tackle

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Originally Posted by Pinchshot

ankles

they'll just ban ankle tackles then and then the "wrap your arms around them to tackle"

[comochiefsfan]

I don’t really get the outrage over this.

The defender won’t be allowed to drop his entire body weight on the back of someone’s legs. It’s basically the same motion as a horse collar tackle and no one has any problem with that being illegal.

Defenders can be taught to avoid this pretty easily. You can still tackle from behind, you can still go for the legs, you simply can’t drop your whole body weight on the legs which is obviously a very dangerous movement.

What’s the problem?

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

I don’t really get the outrage over this.

The defender won’t be allowed to drop his entire body weight on the back of someone’s legs. It’s basically the same motion as a horse collar tackle and no one has any problem with that being illegal.

Defenders can be taught to avoid this pretty easily. You can still tackle from behind, you can still go for the legs, you simply can’t drop your whole body weight on the legs which is obviously a very dangerous movement.

What’s the problem?

Yeah it's a good change. I'm just dreading the really bad calls that that will likely occur this next season or two.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

I don’t really get the outrage over this.

The defender won’t be allowed to drop his entire body weight on the back of someone’s legs. It’s basically the same motion as a horse collar tackle and no one has any problem with that being illegal.

Defenders can be taught to avoid this pretty easily. You can still tackle from behind, you can still go for the legs, you simply can’t drop your whole body weight on the legs which is obviously a very dangerous movement.

What’s the problem?

Not sure how this relates to a horse collar tackle.

How the **** do you tackle a runner from behind with this rule?

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Not sure how this relates to a horse collar tackle.

How the **** do you tackle a runner from behind with this rule?

You don't swivel your legs and drop your body on their legs. It's right there in the rule.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

You don't swivel your legs and drop your body on their legs. It's right there in the rule.

Good. You defined the rule. Not explain how you go about avoiding trapping the runners legs under you while tackling them from behind.

[kysirsoze]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Good. You defined the rule. Not explain how you go about avoiding trapping the runners legs under you while tackling them from behind.

It doesn't say you can't land on the ball carrier's legs. You can't swivel your body and drop your weight on them. Non hip drop tackles from begind happen constantly in every game.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Good. You defined the rule. Not explain how you go about avoiding trapping the runners legs under you while tackling them from behind.

You tackle the legs

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Not sure how this relates to a horse collar tackle.

How the **** do you tackle a runner from behind with this rule?

Because in both instances, you abruptly stop the ball carriers’ upper body momentum while their legs continue moving, causing a high probability that the legs will get trapped beneath the body when the ball carrier is brought down, leading to a significant risk of lower body injury.

It is important to note with the hip drop rule that this isn’t a ban of grabbing the ball carrier’s legs from behind or even grabbing them high, the defender simply can’t begin by grabbing the ball carrier high and then dropping down onto the legs.

I really don’t think it’ll be as hard to eliminate from the game as it sounds and I don’t think there will be many noticeable changes.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Because in both instances, you abruptly stop the ball carriers’ upper body momentum while their legs continue moving, causing a high probability that the legs will get trapped beneath the body when the ball carrier is brought down, leading to a significant risk of lower body injury.

It is important to note with the hip drop rule that this isn’t a ban of grabbing the ball carrier’s legs from behind, the defender simply can’t begin by grabbing the ball carrier high and then dropping down onto the legs.

I really don’t think it’ll be as hard to eliminate from the game as it sounds and I don’t think there will be many noticeable changes.

The **** are you talking about "grabbing him high"? Do you even see the damn example in the tweet? He's grabbing his ****ing hips.

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by jd1020

The **** are you talking about "grabbing him high"? Do you even see the damn example in the tweet? He's grabbing his ****ing hips.

To put it as simply as possible,

The danger of a horse collar tackle and the danger of a hip drop tackle are both the legs being trapped beneath body weight.

In both instances, the ball carrier will fall backwards awkwardly and have their legs trapped beneath them. They are very closely related plays.

[jettio]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

I don’t really get the outrage over this.

The defender won’t be allowed to drop his entire body weight on the back of someone’s legs. It’s basically the same motion as a horse collar tackle and no one has any problem with that being illegal.

Defenders can be taught to avoid this pretty easily. You can still tackle from behind, you can still go for the legs, you simply can’t drop your whole body weight on the legs which is obviously a very dangerous movement.

What’s the problem?

The folks complaining the loudest never heard of a hip drop tackle until 2022.

If there are recent rule changes that eliminate low blocks outside the tight end box and on kickoff and punt returns that apply to offense and defense, it is natural that landing on the back of a runner's legs can be addressed also. Especially with high profile plays of specific injuries recently.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

I don’t really get the outrage over this.

The defender won’t be allowed to drop his entire body weight on the back of someone’s legs. It’s basically the same motion as a horse collar tackle and no one has any problem with that being illegal.

Defenders can be taught to avoid this pretty easily. You can still tackle from behind, you can still go for the legs, you simply can’t drop your whole body weight on the legs which is obviously a very dangerous movement.

What’s the problem?

Nah, several of the tackles shown as examples of hip drop tackles are just basic tackling and this new rule will just be another tool for the NFL to guide outcomes.