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Old 08-24-2019, 01:14 PM   #2
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:39 AM   #3
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Man I just don’t know about that

I think Hill is a bit of an outlier. You take him away from the offense and they become easier to defense. Belicheck said the same thing
I remember hearing that the top offenses of all-time never won a Super Bowl.

2013 Broncos
2018 Chiefs
2007 Patriots
2011 Packers
1998 Vikings
2011 Saints
2016 Falcons
1990 Bills

To my knowledge, the 1999 Greatest Show on Turf Rams are the only one who won a Lombardi
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:41 AM   #4
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I remember hearing that the top offenses of all-time never won a Super Bowl.

2013 Broncos
2018 Chiefs
2007 Patriots
2011 Packers
1998 Vikings
2011 Saints
2016 Falcons
1990 Bills

To my knowledge, the 1999 Greatest Show on Turf Rams are the only one who won a Lombardi
But how many of those teams made it to the champ game or the super bowl?

It’s hard to win man. But the chiefs historic offense got them about as close as possible to a super bowl. Once you get that far you’re gonna have to play other elite teams
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:45 AM   #5
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But how many of those teams made it to the champ game or the super bowl?

It’s hard to win man. But the chiefs historic offense got them about as close as possible to a super bowl. Once you get that far you’re gonna have to play other elite teams
Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:48 AM   #6
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Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:54 AM   #7
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Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot
What about the other times he had Jim Johnson? Why didn’t he go then?
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Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot
Not really...
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Old 08-24-2019, 01:47 PM   #9
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Andy Reid has been to a championship game 6 times. He only went to the Super Bowl once.

That one time was with Jim Johnson and a damn good defense.

That says an awful lot
It's not like he had a ton of offensive help.

For a while he had Pinkston, Thrash and Freddie Mitchell as his receivers. The one complete year he had a dynamic receiving weapon in TO they went to the SB

Had he had Patrick Mahomes in 2004, he would most likely have a ring right now.
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Old 08-24-2019, 10:02 AM   #10
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I remember hearing that the top offenses of all-time never won a Super Bowl.

2013 Broncos
2018 Chiefs
2007 Patriots
2011 Packers
1998 Vikings
2011 Saints
2016 Falcons
1990 Bills

To my knowledge, the 1999 Greatest Show on Turf Rams are the only one who won a Lombardi
How many great defenses didn’t go on to win the Super Bowl as well?
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Old 08-24-2019, 12:30 PM   #11
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How many great defenses didn’t go on to win the Super Bowl as well?
Not many.

1969 Chiefs
1976 Steelers
1985 Bears
1986 Giants
2000 Ravens
2002 Bucanneers
2008 Steelers
2013 Seahawks
2015 Broncos

Every one of these defenses won the Super Bowl
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Old 08-24-2019, 01:18 PM   #12
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Not many.

1969 Chiefs
1976 Steelers
1985 Bears
1986 Giants
2000 Ravens
2002 Bucanneers
2008 Steelers
2013 Seahawks
2015 Broncos

Every one of these defenses won the Super Bowl
I don’t think it comes down to being great on offense or defense specifically. I think you need to either be elite on one side of the ball and competent on the other OR good on both sides of the ball.

Some of the examples above aren’t really relevant anymore. Are the Brad Johnsons or Trent Dilfers of the world going to be the QBs on Super Bowl winning teams in today’s NFL? Not likely.

Before anyone brings up Foles, the Eagles wouldn’t have had the 1 seed without Wentz having the season he did. Foles wouldn’t have made it to the Super Bowl as a wildcard.
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Old 08-24-2019, 09:23 AM   #13
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Do fans of other teams have conversations about trading the best non QB offensive player? There is just no reason to trade him from any perspective you can possibly think of. And if he were traded, then every single person should be fired immediately for being colossally stupid.
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There are 2 untouchable players on this team Mahomes of course and Tyreek Hill. Hill gets better every year as he learns the position and refines his skills. I bet he pushes 2000 yards this year. He's going to have probably 5-6 more elite years of 1500+. With his honed skills he should still be fairly productive even when he loses a step. If he stays healthy he will be in the top 10 for all time rec yards.

Someone save this post, so we can see I'm right in 10 years.
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There are 2 untouchable players on this team Mahomes of course and Tyreek Hill. Hill gets better every year as he learns the position and refines his skills. I bet he pushes 2000 yards this year. He's going to have probably 5-6 more elite years of 1500+. With his honed skills he should still be fairly productive even when he loses a step. If he stays healthy he will be in the top 10 for all time rec yards.

Someone save this post, so we can see I'm right in 10 years.
I said over a year ago that if I were starting a franchise from scratch, from the Chiefs organization I'd take Mahomes and Hill over everything, down to Arrowhead, Reid and Kansas City.
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