First Round Targets

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Honestly, Karlaftis is a tough eval. He’s physical and really good but also maybe tapped out physically.

I’m not sure I’d prefer him to guys like Enagbare or Sanders or Ebitekie or Drake Jackson who have more explosive athletic profiles.

Honestly, if Karlaftis falls all the way to 30, there's going to be some DE prospects (probably of the group of 4 you mentioned even) available at our 2nd round pick. You could double up like the Bills did...

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Honestly, Karlaftis is a tough eval. He’s physical and really good but also maybe tapped out physically.

I’m not sure I’d prefer him to guys like Enagbare or Sanders or Ebitekie or Drake Jackson who have more explosive athletic profiles.

I really don't think this thought process is fair to the evaluation of Karlftis either. He likely is tapped out physically, he's 6'4" 275 and a load at the LOS. It's the same thing as Aidan Hutchinson being tapped out physically. Many of the others, especially a guy like Majai Sanders, don't play at the same level Karlaftis does and they need to establish pro bodies.

Karlaftis sets a hard edge and is disciplined against the run rather than a pin-your-ears-back, one-trick pony like many collegiate ends. He's explosive as well. He got a lot of double-teams too as he was the focal point at Purdue unlike a guy like Hutchinson or Obajo, where Michigan will likely have 3 guys on the line picked by the end of day 2 in this draft and could 4 from the unit drafted. I'm not saying those players are bad, they both look great, but they didnt have the doubles like Karlaftis had.

If there is any argument, he doesn't have elite bend. What he does do though is use his hands well and makes himself skinny to slip blocks and then his closing burst is elite. When he gets there, you know it too. I look at him as a perfect 4-3 LDE.

If he magically falls, I would take him well above any and all of the guys you have listed here.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I really don't think this thought process is fair to the evaluation of Karlftis either. He likely is tapped out physically, he's 6'4" 275 and a load at the LOS. It's the same thing as Aidan Hutchinson being tapped out physically. Many of the others, especially a guy like Majai Sanders, don't play at the same level Karlaftis does and they need to establish pro bodies.

Karlaftis sets a hard edge and is disciplined against the run rather than a pin-your-ears-back, one-trick pony like many collegiate ends. He's explosive as well. He got a lot of double-teams too as he was the focal point at Purdue unlike a guy like Hutchinson or Obajo, where Michigan will likely have 3 guys on the line picked by the end of day 2 in this draft and could 4 from the unit drafted. I'm not saying those players are bad, they both look great, but they didnt have the doubles like Karlaftis had.

If there is any argument, he doesn't have elite bend. What he does do though is use his hands well and makes himself skinny to slip blocks and then his closing burst is elite. When he gets there, you know it too. I look at him as a perfect 4-3 LDE.

If he magically falls, I would take him well above any and all of the guys you have listed here.

I admittedly haven’t watched him much because I never expected him to make it out of the top 15. I’ll take a deeper look if he continues to be mocked in the later first.

[staylor26]

Yea, I thought Karlaftis was a bit overrated when most had him in the top 10-15 picks, but he’d be an absolute steal at 30.

It would be very similar to Greg Rousseau’s fall last year.

[Stryker]

From what you all are saying, BPA comes to mind. IF there is a chance to get Allen Robinson, THEN go BPA on the defensive side all the way. I do not know enough of the RB class but we NEED a bruising RB. A north and south runner to get it done in the red zone. So tired of us NOT getting it done there. We shall see what happens but this will become a chess game for Veach to see what he can do.

[staylor26]

Ok guys, added Ebiketie, went back and watched a couple more games of his, so I feel comfortable putting him on the list despite not quite being a 1st rounder for me personally yet.

[Chris Meck]

for me, it's Jermaine Johnson or Cam Thomas. Measureables AND production.

[O.city]

Jermaine Johnson would be my pick there as well. They’ve gotta attack the dl with some young talent this year

[BWillie]

WR or S

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by BWillie

WR or S

Yea let’s draft a position (need) over a player!

[JPH83]

I like Ebiketie too. Can't see any chance Karlaftis falls anywhere near us, especially after he tests. Probably also unlikely but Burks...maybe falls there?

[duncan_idaho]

Working through some more offseason exercises and thinking about it some more, I don't think there's a LB I take at 30. If that's my best bet or highest guy on the board by a long shot at 30, I'm trying to trade back.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Working through some more offseason exercises and thinking about it some more, I don't think there's a LB I take at 30. If that's my best bet or highest guy on the board by a long shot at 30, I'm trying to trade back.

Think I agree

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Working through some more offseason exercises and thinking about it some more, I don't think there's a LB I take at 30. If that's my best bet or highest guy on the board by a long shot at 30, I'm trying to trade back.

If trading back is an option, absolutely.

But if Dean or Lloyd are BPA, and I can’t trade down, then I’m taking them.