*** Brett Veach Appreciation Thread ***

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by nicksdad

well.... when the national pundits crapped all over the chiefs for both selecting mahomes AND the draft capital they gave up , it was all Dorsey . when smith started at QB the next year and people thought they should have helped the defense it was all Dorsey. when Dorsey got canned ( and he sucked at people skills AND cap management / contracts) and a relatively unknown and unproven Veach took over THEN AND ONLY THEN did the "Veach as a scout is the only scout in nfl history who is responsible for his GM's draft pick" myth arrive. timing is everything in life. , don't get mesmerized by the laundry and attempt to think critically. or just keep washing the wrinkles right out of Veach's balls . be my guest

John Dorsey, is that you?

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by nicksdad

You mean the Dorsey who drafted four of NFL.com top ten players in the league ? That Dorsey ? And don’t start in this Veach gets credit for Mahomes myth .

I feel bad for Nick.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I feel bad for Nick.

At last. BWillie on the side of good rather than troll.

This guy picked a very odd Dorsey-ish hill to die upon.

[JPH83]

It's wild that a guy who drafted Mahomes, Hill, Kelce and Jones gets so little credit. I'd much rather have Veach but JFC those draft picks are insane and absolutely essential to our SBs.

I agree Veach is an all-round better GM and any sustained success is on him. But I'm happy to give that insufferable p**** Dorsey his dues as well.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by nicksdad

You mean the Dorsey who drafted four of NFL.com top ten players in the league ? That Dorsey ? And don’t start in this Veach gets credit for Mahomes myth .

How is it a myth?

[L.A. Chieffan]

Never heard of him

[Direckshun]

Veach was largely responsible for getting Mahomes in KC.

He's done a great job giving the offensive line, and now the wide receiver room longterm stability.

He's been truly elite at finding low-rounders and UDFAs, and bargain bin trades. It's legitimately absurd how good he is at that.

He's given the DE room a lot of talent, we'll see how it develops over time.

He's built one of the best LB rooms in the NFL, and of course has constructed a secondary on a shoestring budget.

His drafts, with the exception of the 2018 abomination, have given the Chiefs Pro Bowl caliber players every single year.

And even though he has signed some stinker deals over the years, he has done an elite job of managing the cap and mitigating those mistakes as much as he could.

He will take risks as well, which work for him as often as they don't. The Tyreek Hill trade was a masterclass, and the Mahomes contract was the best contract in NFL history until the Jalen Hurts deal came down the pipeline.

It's really, really hard to complain about him as GM. He's been the best we've ever had, though I think John Dorsey's drafting record was stronger. Veach has been superior literally everywhere else.

That being said, the Chris Jones drama could end up being the biggest blunder of his tenure here. It's not that he needs to cave as soon as possible to Jones, it's that he should have been able to detect how impossible this was going to be early in the process, like he did with Tyreek, so he can pawn him off for the highest possible return, which he would have gotten this offseason.

Now both teams are stuck in this toxic dance, where the Chiefs are going to have to slowly work in a disgruntled Jones into the rotation and hope he plays well enough that he can still net the team a nice return in a trade, assuming he doesn't come way down.

[Sassy Squatch]

You do realize we have actual first hand accounts of all parties involved, right?

[nicksdad]

you do realize that scouts make assessments every day of the week . veach made an assessment . so did Dorsey . Dorsey made the deal. Dorsey took the heat until mahomes became mahomes. name one other draft pick who gets attributed to a scout , not the actual GM. also please name me all of the nfl top 100 players veahch has either drafted, signed as a free agent or traded for in 5 years. I am waiting . ........

[Sassy Squatch]

Wut? Pretty obvious you haven't read ANY of the multiple articles on the subject, but Veachs involvement was MUCH more than just an 'assessment'.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by nicksdad

Dorsey made the deal. Dorsey took the heat until mahomes became mahomes.

What the **** are you even babbling about? Dorsey was fired 2 months after Mahomes was drafted.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/03/05/pa...ting-nfl-draft

Ever since the Chiefs drafted Patrick Mahomes in 2017, the trajectory of the organization skyrocketed, and Andy Reid gives the credit to current general manager Brett Veach.

During this week's NFL combine, Reid mentioned that Veach, before being promoted to general manager, discovered Mahomes as a freshman at Texas Tech and raved about his potential to Reid and then-general manager John Dorsey.

“Brett was pushing us with this guy forever, he was wearing John and I out with this quarterback, from the time the kid was a freshman on up through,” Reid said. “So we had had tape, he’d lay tape on our desk, and we’d go through it and look at it and go, ‘Yeah, he’s good but he’s got another year or two left before he’s gonna be eligible to come out.’”

Reid also recalls the first time he saw Mahomes live, when Veach continued his persistence in getting Reid to watch the young quarterback.

“He was down on the field before one of the games scouting him at Texas Tech and he goes, ‘You’re not going to believe this quarterback. This guy is unbelievable, like the best I’ve ever seen,’” Reid said. “So you know, when somebody tells you that, that has the experience Brett has, you better look at him.“

[kcgreene]

“He was down on the field before one of the games scouting him at Texas Tech and he goes, ‘You’re not going to believe this quarterback. This guy is unbelievable, like the best I’ve ever seen,’” Reid said. “So you know, when somebody tells you that, that has the experience Brett has, you better look at him.“

Man Called his shot. All Hail Beret Veecks!

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch

You do realize we have actual first hand accounts of all parties involved, right?

Didn't Dorsey want more power/control when negotiating his next contract and made it a decision between him and Reid? Or am I just making this up?

I do know that people just hate working with the guy, that much I think has been pretty well documented.

[Sassy Squatch]

I'm a bit shocked we still have Dorsey stans around here. As good as his eye for talent is, the fact he hasn't been able to land even a Director of Football Operations job should be a pretty massive tell for what the league thinks of him as a GM.