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Old 01-26-2021, 11:33 AM   #2
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Veach has shown he can get those cheap players later or as UDFA though.

LT is just so important for what KC does on offense. If they think there's a legit guy they love there, go get him.
It depends on how much they have to give up.

The team simply can't afford to give away 3 rookies to get 1 rookie - a bunch of UDFA's isn't always going to pan out. You need those mid-round picks and those are the ones you'd likely have to give up to trade up 10-12 spots in the first.
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Old 01-26-2021, 11:42 AM   #3
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It depends on how much they have to give up.

The team simply can't afford to give away 3 rookies to get 1 rookie - a bunch of UDFA's isn't always going to pan out. You need those mid-round picks and those are the ones you'd likely have to give up to trade up 10-12 spots in the first.
For a LT though, you wouldn't?
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Old 01-26-2021, 11:45 AM   #4
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For a LT though, you wouldn't?
No, this team can't afford it.

Clark, Jones, Mahomes, HB. If they are lucky enough to get Fisher's massive contract off the books, maybe they can spend some of that on a FA LT.

But this team is going to be building primarily through the draft for the rest of Mahomes' career. Giving up multiple draft picks to get one player, regardless of position, isn't sustainable. We'll end up with holes everywhere, lack of depth, and inability to withstand injuries, which is one thing we can actually do right now.
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Old 01-26-2021, 12:27 PM   #5
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No, this team can't afford it.

Clark, Jones, Mahomes, HB. If they are lucky enough to get Fisher's massive contract off the books, maybe they can spend some of that on a FA LT.

But this team is going to be building primarily through the draft for the rest of Mahomes' career. Giving up multiple draft picks to get one player, regardless of position, isn't sustainable. We'll end up with holes everywhere, lack of depth, and inability to withstand injuries, which is one thing we can actually do right now.
LT is just such an important position, if you have to give up some role players for it, you do it. They can easily afford it if they hit another guy or two in the mid rounds etc.

As much as they throw the ball, they've gotta have a LT.
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Old 01-26-2021, 04:35 PM   #6
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LT is just such an important position, if you have to give up some role players for it, you do it. They can easily afford it if they hit another guy or two in the mid rounds etc.

As much as they throw the ball, they've gotta have a LT.
No.

I don't agree.

There are many ways to get a tackle that don't require sacrificing at other positions.

Draft one at 32. Draft one at 32 AND at 64 if you think it's that much of a need.

This team has too many needs to be trading up from 32, for any postion, regardless of need.
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Old 01-26-2021, 05:38 PM   #7
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No.

I don't agree.

There are many ways to get a tackle that don't require sacrificing at other positions.

Draft one at 32. Draft one at 32 AND at 64 if you think it's that much of a need.

This team has too many needs to be trading up from 32, for any postion, regardless of need.
Counterpoints here:
- Our roster is super talented, and deep in key spots
- We can hopefully snag some ring-chasers in FA on a discount or creative contract structure.
- We are getting 2 mid-round comp picks in addition to our regular picks (minus a 6th)
- If EB leaves, we get another 3rd this year and next
- Veach will ball out with the UDFA's again, and they'll want to come here

If there's a stud we want, and Veach puts his nuts on the table for him, I wouldn't be shocked to see us make some moves.
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Old 01-26-2021, 04:44 PM   #8
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For a LT though, you wouldn't?
Absolutely not. Unless we're getting Sewell
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Old 01-26-2021, 12:37 PM   #9
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LT is just so important for what KC does on offense. If they think there's a legit guy they love there, go get him.
The Chiefs started the 2019 season at 5-3, which included a ridiculous 13-19 loss to the Colts and a really ridiculous 24-31 loss to the Texans, both at home and both fairly inexusable.

The starting left tackle for those initial 8 games of the season? Cam Erving.

The same Cam Erving, who was cut after winning the Super Bowl and could only get a Vet Minimum deal with the Cowboys in 2020.

Left tackle is important to any team but I think you've overstated the importance in this Chiefs offense, when a guy of Cam Erving's, um, caliber, can help a team win a Super Bowl.
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Old 01-26-2021, 12:41 PM   #10
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The Chiefs started the 2019 season at 5-3, which included a ridiculous 13-19 loss to the Colts and a really ridiculous 24-31 loss to the Texans, both at home and both fairly inexusable.

The starting left tackle for those initial 8 games of the season?

Cam Erving, who was cut after winning the Super Bowl and got a Vet Minimum deal with the Cowboys in 2020.

Left tackle is important to any team but I think you've overstated the importance in this Chiefs offense, when a guy of Cam Erving's, um, caliber, can help a team win a Super Bowl.
I think we can agree they wouldn't have went on to actually win the SB with him there though. Fisher coming back was huge. They were significantly worse with Erving there, which is enough for me to see they need someone good there long term.
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Old 01-26-2021, 02:44 PM   #11
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Yeah, thats a strange argument. I can distinctly remember Erving being a huge part of that Colts loss. Got pushed back into Mahomes so badly he stepped on his ankle and tweaked it again, and let Houston blow up our 4th down play to seal the game for the Colts.
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Old 01-26-2021, 03:52 PM   #12
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Yeah, thats a strange argument. I can distinctly remember Erving being a huge part of that Colts loss. Got pushed back into Mahomes so badly he stepped on his ankle and tweaked it again, and let Houston blow up our 4th down play to seal the game for the Colts.
Uh, Shady McCoy's fumble in Colts territory was the killer.

He also played LT when the Chiefs beat the Vikings at home and nearly beat the Packers, both with Matt Moore at QB.

My point wasn't that Cam Erving was even remotely special, but that Andy Reid can scheme around any offensive deficiencies.
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