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Old 10-05-2021, 09:50 AM   #2
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Phins were massive idiots for passing in Herbert.

Still only has a 100 QBR. MVPat is 120 for the year and career 110.
And I was pissed watching that draft when the stupid Dolphins drafted TUA because I knew that Herbert was going to go to the Chargers and would be a thorn in our side for the next decade +. Then thought thank goodness we have Mahomes!
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Old 10-05-2021, 07:20 AM   #3
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Old 10-05-2021, 10:10 AM   #4
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Crazy that the two best young QB's both reside in the same division.

Trying to think of last time this happened and drawing a blank.
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Old 10-05-2021, 10:15 AM   #5
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Crazy that the two best young QB's both reside in the same division.

Trying to think of last time this happened and drawing a blank.

The best young QB after Mahomes is Kyler Murray.
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Old 10-05-2021, 10:21 AM   #6
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The best young QB after Mahomes is Kyler Murray.
It’s close. I’d definitely take Kyler over Baker. I’d actually take both over Baker and Allen.

But man I can’t get over how impressive Herbert has been. 40 TD’s in only 19 NFL games.

Kyler has more mobility but Herbert has a legit rocket. He throws with elite velocity.

Both guys are legit top 10 QB’s
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Old 10-05-2021, 11:02 AM   #7
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It’s close. I’d definitely take Kyler over Baker. I’d actually take both over Baker and Allen.

But man I can’t get over how impressive Herbert has been. 40 TD’s in only 19 NFL games.

Kyler has more mobility but Herbert has a legit rocket. He throws with elite velocity.

Both guys are legit top 10 QB’s
Yeah, from a pure QB standpoint I'm taking Herbert. No knock on Kyler though.
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Old 10-05-2021, 11:05 AM   #8
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Yeah, from a pure QB standpoint I'm taking Herbert. No knock on Kyler though.
I just take the QB that is scarier to stop.

We have never had a hyper-mobile QB that could pass like Murray.

If it wasn't for Mahomes, Murray would be the closest to a generational talent in the last 5 drafts.

It was never Trevor.
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Old 10-05-2021, 11:07 AM   #9
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Old 10-05-2021, 11:17 AM   #10
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It's not just height, but frame. It's yet to be seen if Kyler can make it thru a year witout breaking down.
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Old 10-05-2021, 11:20 AM   #11
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It's not just height, but frame. It's yet to be seen if Kyler can make it thru a year witout breaking down.
He won Rookie of the Year in his rookie year without breaking down.

Every QB takes hits. Murray is excellent at avoiding big hits.

Even last year with the injury, Murray played through it. Tough kid. Before that injury he was the #1 QB in FF, prior to the injury in week 10, with KK doing dumb crap.
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Old 10-05-2021, 11:21 AM   #12
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It's not just height, but frame. It's yet to be seen if Kyler can make it thru a year witout breaking down.
Mhrm.

I'd take Herbert. And that's not a knock on Murray. He's going to be this year's league MVP most likely.

But Murray's height does limit his vision when working inside a pocket. It's part of why he rolls out as much as he does, or drifts further back in the pocket more than most. To create angles for a more clear line of sight.

It's an issue Herbert doesn't have to deal with.

And then, yeah, there's the injury concern thing too.
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Old 10-05-2021, 08:17 PM   #13
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Mhrm.

I'd take Herbert. And that's not a knock on Murray. He's going to be this year's league MVP most likely.

But Murray's height does limit his vision when working inside a pocket. It's part of why he rolls out as much as he does, or drifts further back in the pocket more than most. To create angles for a more clear line of sight.

It's an issue Herbert doesn't have to deal with.

And then, yeah, there's the injury concern thing too.
Nope.
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Old 10-05-2021, 03:01 PM   #14
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The media has been desperate to make the Chargers a thing for years, even before they moved to LA.

Herbert looks pretty good, but I'll believe this team isn't a ****in fraud when they actually win something.
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Old 10-05-2021, 04:40 PM   #15
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The media has been desperate to make the Chargers a thing for years, even before they moved to LA.

Herbert looks pretty good, but I'll believe this team isn't a ****in fraud when they actually win something.
Yep we all remember how "on fire" this Bills team was the last 2 times we faced them. Look what happened. A beating of epic proportions. We just have their number. I do expect this year they'll have a much better chance than they've ever had. Thanks to our efense.
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