Our current WR costs.

[Mr. Wizard]

2023 Kansas City Chiefs Wide Receiver Cap Hit Rankings
PLAYER
POS
CAP HIT
1
Marquez Valdes-Scantling
KC
WR $11,000,000
2
Kadarius Toney
KC
WR $1,907,228
3
Skyy Moore
KC
WR $1,466,022
4
John Ross
KC
WR $940,000
Ihmir Smith-Marsette
KC
WR $940,000
6
Cornell Powell
KC
WR $870,000
7
Jerrion Ealy
KC
WR $750,000
Ty Fryfogle
KC
WR $750,000
Justyn Ross
KC
WR $750,000

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

It's not. I mean, good on you for believing, but there's just no way Andy rolls into 2023 with MVS, Toney and Skyy as the 'returning vets' and backing them up with a couple mid-round drafted WRs and the dregs we currently have in the likes of Marsette, Powell and the Ross brothers. No team in the NFL would do that.

And if they were, why not then re-sign JuJu or Hardman, or pick up the likes of Adam Thielen on the cheap? Why bother with creating all the cap space? Why touch Pat's deal, which is supposed to be a "only-break-glass in case of emergency" option?

Answer: Veach is quietly planning on bringing in a veteran WR, either along the lines of a Corey Davis type, or he's going big game hunting (Odell/DeHop).

It's really the only play that makes realistic sense at this point.

They didn't really create a 'ton of cap-space'.

They've got like $10m. What'll it cost to sign the draft picks again?

No, they probably have JWat on hold, while they're looking around for a bigger bodied guy with some upside. I thought Callaway would be a good fit.

They didn't clear enough for the big names you guys are all hot and bothered for.

If THAT was the plan, they'd have hit the Mahomes piggy bank harder and the deal would've been done.

You guys are just not facing reality.

Andy Reid is expecting Skyy and Toney to make big strides. Period.

I hope he's right; not just as a fan, but as an armchair GM it sure makes the next three or four years look like a golden ticket.

[kcjoker]

Not disputing that we need to add some talent at the WR position but keep in mind the Chiefs are cheating the system right now. Our #1 Receiver is our TE and top TE are much cheaper than top WR's.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wizard

I must admit I wonder what our contingency plan is in the event of wide receiver injuries.

Currently, we don't have one.

I love Toney, obviously, but the reality is that in two seasons he's played in just 19 regular season games. Out of a possible 34.

John Ross, our late season pickup from CIN who at least has played in the NFL, has played in just 44% of his total possible games.

After that, we got pretty much nothing.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Currently, we don't have one.

I love Toney, obviously, but the reality is that in two seasons he's played in just 19 regular season games. Out of a possible 34.

John Ross, our late season pickup from CIN who at least has played in the NFL, has played in just 44% of his total possible games.

After that, we got pretty much nothing.

They're either going to bring JWat back or sign a guy that you're going to have to go Google real quick to see who he is.

And they'll draft a guy.

Toney, Moore, MVS. That's three. There are two spots open, three max if one of them plays a lot of special teams.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

They didn't really create a 'ton of cap-space'.

They've got like $10m. What'll it cost to sign the draft picks again?

No, they probably have JWat on hold, while they're looking around for a bigger bodied guy with some upside. I thought Callaway would be a good fit.

They didn't clear enough for the big names you guys are all hot and bothered for.

If THAT was the plan, they'd have hit the Mahomes piggy bank harder and the deal would've been done.

You guys are just not facing reality.

Andy Reid is expecting Skyy and Toney to make big strides. Period.

I hope he's right; not just as a fan, but as an armchair GM it sure makes the next three or four years look like a golden ticket.

I never said a 'ton of cap space.' I said, "all that cap space."

And I was told that we need less than $3M to take care of the draft class. And we haven't seen how much Veach is going to get restructuring CJ's deal. Or Kelce's.

And again, take that list of WRs above and trade them for any WR room in the league. Does that look right to you? No NFL team is going into a season with that room. And certainly no team would bank on those top three WRs to carry the team to a SB. It's not "fungible."

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I never said a 'ton of cap space.' I said, "all that cap space."

And I was told that we need less than $3M to take care of the draft class. And we haven't seen how much Veach is going to get restructuring CJ's deal. Or Kelce's.

And again, take that list of WRs above and trade them for any WR room in the league. Does that look right to you? No NFL team is going into a season with that room. And certainly no team would bank on those top three WRs to carry the team to a SB. It's not "fungible."

Pretty sure it's a lot more than $3m for the draft class.

In fact, it's just over...wait for it...$10 million dollars.

What do you know?

https://overthecap.com/draft

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I never said a 'ton of cap space.' I said, "all that cap space."

And I was told that we need less than $3M to take care of the draft class. And we haven't seen how much Veach is going to get restructuring CJ's deal. Or Kelce's.

And again, take that list of WRs above and trade them for any WR room in the league. Does that look right to you? No NFL team is going into a season with that room. And certainly no team would bank on those top three WRs to carry the team to a SB. It's not "fungible."

Cool, give me your season record prediction right now. This will be fun.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

They're either going to bring JWat back or sign a guy that you're going to have to go Google real quick to see who he is.

And they'll draft a guy.

Toney, Moore, MVS. That's three. There are two spots open, three max if one of them plays a lot of special teams.

I like Justin, I actually really do. But let's be serious. He played in 17 games and barely out-produced Hardman in yards. Like 16 yards. He caught just two TDs (Mecole caught 4 in half as many games), and somehow caught fewer 1st downs than Hardman with twice as many games. Justin isn't going to suddenly blossom into a solid producer. He may well end up being just a really good ST guy.

Toney's only played in 55% of his games due to nagging leg injuries in two seasons.

Skyy hasn't shown anything that suggest he's going to become a WR2. Yet.

No one else in the WR room has a leg to stand on. In some cases, literally.



Logic suggests that Veach is definitely going to get a veteran WR somehow.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Just some info on the lesser known WRs on the roster for those of us that need it.


John Ross - 27 yo 5’11” 190 lbs - 2017 1st Round pick by the Bengals. Combine 40 time of 4.22. NFL Stats with Bengals & Giants 62 Rec 957 Yds 11 TDs

Ihmir Smith-Marsette - 23 yo 6’1” 185 lbs - 2021 5th round selection of the Vikings. Combine 40 time of 4.42. NFL stats with Vikings and Bears 6 Rec 131 Yds 2 TDs

Jerrion Ealy - 22 yo 5’8” 187 lbs - 2022 UDFA (Chiefs) - Combine 40 time 4.52

Ty Fryfogle - 24 yo 6’1 205 lbs - 2022 UDFA (Cowboys) - Combine 40 time 4.53

Justyn Ross - 23 yo 6’4” 205 lbs - 2022 UDFA (Chiefs) - Combine 40 time 4.64

Cornell Powell - 25 yo 6’ 204 lbs - 2021 5th round selection by the Chiefs. Combine 40 yard time 4.53

We good

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

And remember, it took Wes Welker about two full seasons to become a regular starter that was worth anything. Edelman took four years to amount to anything.

And at the end of the day, both were just slot possession WRs. They moved the chains and that's about it.

Really? Either Welker or Edelman would wreck shop in our offense.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

What's our cap space at this point? $10M?

Spotrac has us at a little over $6.1M. Over the cap has us at $5.168M. Neither has factored in the Bell and Nnadi contracts. We have 10 draft picks, each will be guaranteed (assuming they make the team) $705K. That's $7.05M for those without a calculator. Then there are signing bonuses to be factored in.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Pretty sure it's a lot more than $3m for the draft class.

In fact, it's just over...wait for it...$10 million dollars.

What do you know?

https://overthecap.com/draft

Chris Clark (think that's the guy's name on Locked on Chiefs) said that the Chiefs don't have to come up with all of that money all at once. Only about half needs to be available at first. His projection was about $3M.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Really? Either Welker or Edelman would wreck shop in our offense.

Well sure. But for whatever reason it took both of them years to get right in NE. No idea why, but obviously they didn't hit the ground running. And both turned out to be very high-level players, so it wasn't for lack of brains or ability.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by oldman

Spotrac has us at a little over $6.1M. Over the cap has us at $5.168M. Neither has factored in the Bell and Nnadi contracts. We have 10 sraft picks, each will be guaranteed (assuming they make the team) $705K. That's $7.05M for those without a calculator. Then there are signing bonuses to be factored in.

Thx. Just wanted to know if the amount had changed in the last few days.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

I like Justin, I actually really do. But let's be serious. He played in 17 games and barely out-produced Hardman in yards. Like 16 yards. He caught just two TDs (Mecole caught 4 in half as many games), and somehow caught fewer 1st downs than Hardman with twice as many games. Justin isn't going to suddenly blossom into a solid producer. He may well end up being just a really good ST guy.

Toney's only played in 55% of his games due to nagging leg injuries in two seasons.

Skyy hasn't shown anything that suggest he's going to become a WR2. Yet.

No one else in the WR room has a leg to stand on. In some cases, literally.



Logic suggests that Veach is definitely going to get a veteran WR somehow.

See, you're trying to base your entire argument on past production-so much, in fact, that you're willing to pay a premium for it on the open market.

But it's a false premise.

IF Veach and Reid don't go out and sign a Dhop or Beckham, it's because they feel really good about the capabilities they have in the room. They're projecting production because it's literally their job to do so.

When you're paying an elite QB, and you're drafting around 30 every year, you have to.

You look at Moore and say- It's insane to think he can go from 22 catches to 80! That's nuts!

But it's not really. Andy Reid is saying as much. Veach has said as much. What they've done in free agency doesn't say that they're all that concerned.

To grow your young talent, you have to actually play them. Look at Christian Watson. Stunk up the first half of the season, was a TD machine in the second half. We went slower with Moore because, you know, we were actually trying to win a Super Bowl. But if Andy's saying he expects Moore and Toney to play bigger roles, then that's what they're planning on doing.

They'll sign an insurance policy, and they'll draft a WR. I imagine the only reason they haven't signed Watson back yet is because they're looking at a couple of options that might have more upside. But they're not going to be #1WR types.

If they were doing that, they'd have cleared a lot more cap space, and it would be done already.

We're growing our own here, boys. It's not going to look comforting on paper before the games start, but if Andy's alright with it, we ought to have a little faith.