Deshaun Watson is not a top 10 QB

[dlphg9]

Deshaun Watson is constantly getting praised as one of the best young QBs. Hell before the season people were saying he was 2nd best behind Mahomes. I'm here to tell you that he's not even in the top 10.

Deshaun Watson did have a bad GM in B.O.B, but he wasn't that bad as a coach. He always had the Texans respectable, but what he did to that franchise as a GM is senile. That doesn't mean he has to be the scape goat for every time Watson makes a mistake or can't close out a game. Watson was one of/if not the main reason for the playoff loss to the Chiefs. No elite QB is going to allow an opponent to run away with a game after being up 24-0. Another scape goat Watson has is his O line. He is terrible in the pocket and is the main reason for his high sack rate.

He has had success in his past seasons and it seems to me that a lot of that success was due to DeAndre Hopkins ability to catch everything that was anywhere close to him. He made that team so much better and was more important than Watson. Just look at this year what has happened in Houston. Hopkins got traded and the team literally fell apart and Watson has been absolute trash. Now how is he trash when he's on pace for 4800 yards and 34 TDs? He's a god damn garbage time all star, but he struts around like he's playing like an all pro and that his team is trash.

He has sucked shit in the 1st quarter all year and is one of the main reasons why his team is always playing from behind. In the 1st quarter of games this year he is

27/46, 58.7% comp, 285 yards, 1 TD, 13 1st down passes. That's in 7 ****ing games! Almost half a season and he's managed 1 passing TD and a measly 285 yds in the first quarter. Compare that to his 4th quarter stats when he can just throw it against a prevent defense when his team is down double digits. 50/74, 67.5% comp, 685 yds, 7 TDs, 2 Ints. These numbers would be elite and he'd be considered clutch if they'd would have won more than one game.

This is the score of all of his games this year going into the 4th quarter and a little of what transpires

KC - 24 - 7

Balt - 23 - 10

Pit - 20 - 21
Houston was up, but Watson threw an int during an 8 play 42 yd drive at the beginning of the 4th quarter and Pitt capitalized and scored the go ahead TD right after that. Watson gets the ball back down a TD, but he takes one of his patented sacks and goes 3 and out and never sees the ball again. With how great he's been in the 4th quarter this year and how elite he is you'd expect more than 45 yds and an int in the 4th, but he choked the game away.

Min - 24 - 16
Deshaun had a chance to tie the game, but couldn't punch it in when they had the ball with around a minute left 2nd down and 1 yard to go from the Minnesota 1. David Johnson tries to run it in and gets stuffed. Then on 3rd down Watson is running an option and gets scared of a big hit, so he tosses it to David and David doesn't catch it, but he recovers the fumble and it's a 4 yard loss. 4th and 5 gives Watson a chance to redeem himself, but he thinks DeAndre Hopkins is out there running a route and will bail out his shitty overthrown fade route. Not DeAndre does his best, but he can't overcome Watson's shit ball.

Jax - Houston's only win!

Ten -
Deshaun tries really hard, but for some dumb shit reason the Texans go up 7 with 1:53 left in the game and Romeo oh Romeo says "Hey Mr Clutch, go out there and get us 2 points, so this game is over" and Deshaun replies "no probs Romeo O'Brien, I mean Bill, I got this", but Mr. Clutch ain't so clutch and two point conv fails. Ten scores a TD, makes XP, gets ball in OT and drives down for a win.

GB - 28 - 7, but Deshaun tears that prevent up in the 4th and racks up those garbage time numbers to the tune of 100 yards and a TD. 72 and the TD of those yards came in one drive when it really mattered down 35 to 14 with 3:40 left in the game a 2 minute drive to make it a 2 score game. Real nail biter.

Deshaun ****ing sucks. He ain't shit. He got paid and will continually get talked as if he's some elite QB on a team devoid of talent because B.O.B ****ed the franchise. Watson is gonna hit free agency in a few years and get another huge deal because it's not his fault the team never gets above 8-8 again. He will be shitting the bed in the first year of his next deal and everyone will be wondering why Bill O' Brien and his offensive line are still preventing him from winning a game.

Eat shit DeBerg

[Halfcan]

Fuller was juiced up- no wonder he was having a good year.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

No, JFC. That's the kind of hyperbole that starts these fights.

So... who was better? Trent green or alex smith? Deberg? Kreig? Matt cassel? BillKenney?

It's not a high bar.

Come on. People around here just dont want to budge from their pre draft assertion that he was a noodle armed QB who wouldn't hack it as an NFL QB.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

So... who was better? Trent green or alex smith? Deberg? Kreig? Matt cassel? BillKenney?

It's not a high bar.

Come on. People around here just dont want to budge from their pre draft assertion that he was a noodle armed QB who wouldn't hack it as an NFL QB.

Better than Watson?

Joe Montana for one.

I'd put Trent Green and Smith right there with him.

For me, it has nothing to do with Watson pre-draft. I didn't scout him because I was on hiatus from Chiefsplanet and football at the time.

I've seen enough of him over the last 3 years to know that at his best, he's a little more aggressive Alex Smith.

I'm sorry I won't slobber over the guy like some do but I'm not a Watson fan. Yeah, I probably was way too critical of him at times but some people want to act like he's a top 5 QB in the league and he's not.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Watson has now lost Hopkins, Stills and Fuller. He only has Coutee and Cooks left

#Texans star WR Will Fuller has been suspended six games for a PED violation. He explains below: pic.twitter.com/C9ddGRDSZ1

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) November 30, 2020

He never had Fuller.

This little actually honest-to-goodness healthy stretch that Fuller was on was obviously fake. Without the PEDs he would have continued snapping in half like a goddamn twig, because that's all Fuller has ever done in his NFL career.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Better than Watson?

Joe Montana for one.

I'd put Trent Green and Smith right there with him.

For me, it has nothing to do with Watson pre-draft. I didn't scout him because I was on hiatus from Chiefsplanet and football at the time.

I've seen enough of him over the last 3 years to know that at his best, he's a little more aggressive Alex Smith.

I'm sorry I won't slobber over the guy like some do but I'm not a Watson fan. Yeah, I probably was way too critical of him at times but some people want to act like he's a top 5 QB in the league and he's not.

I think there is some truth to this. I would say that Watson is better than Smith outside of structure, but generally speaking he is just that: a more aggressive version of Alex Smith. And I don't mean that as a knock on either player.

We watched project 11 Thanksgiving night (my mom hadn't watched it before) and if Alex had been given a chance and had competence around him, I think the perception of him would've been a lot different. Also, having arguably the best WR in the NFL definitely helped Watson his first season as he just chucked 50/50 after 50/50 ball to Hopkins.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC

and if Alex had been given a chance and had competence around him, I think the perception of him would've been a lot different .

Not sure what you mean by this? Alex has played on plenty of good teams between the Niners, chiefs and the football club. He’s been given plenty of chances.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Not sure what you mean by this? Alex has played on plenty of good teams between the Niners, chiefs and the football club. He’s been given plenty of chances.

Never said he hadn't played on good teams. The 9ers were god awful his first 5 years in the league thanks to Mike Singletary being a shitty head coach. It's really not that hard to understand

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Not sure what you mean by this? Alex has played on plenty of good teams between the Niners, chiefs and the football club. He’s been given plenty of chances.

dude had like five different OCs to start his career.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC

Never said he hadn't played on good teams. The 9ers were god awful his first 5 years in the league thanks to Mike Singletary being a shitty head coach. It's really not that hard to understand

Oh you mean at the beginning of his career. Got it.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Better than Watson?

Joe Montana for one.

I'd put Trent Green and Smith right there with him.

For me, it has nothing to do with Watson pre-draft. I didn't scout him because I was on hiatus from Chiefsplanet and football at the time.

I've seen enough of him over the last 3 years to know that at his best, he's a little more aggressive Alex Smith.

I'm sorry I won't slobber over the guy like some do but I'm not a Watson fan. Yeah, I probably was way too critical of him at times but some people want to act like he's a top 5 QB in the league and he's not.

Not certain I'd put Green and Smith above Watson. Trent Green used to give me fits, almost as often as Smith did. At least with Watson you'd know that the guy has great escape-ability, and can make some amazing plays both with his feet and his arm. Trent and Smith were purely game-managers, not game-changers.

And comparing anyone to a GOAT isn't fair. Watson will never be Montana. But neither will anyone else, ever. The guy was a football unicorn, for pete's sake.

In my mind, the only Chiefs QB that is head-and-shoulders better than Watson is Mahomes. Okay, Dawson as well, but that's really it.

[Brody Wa]

I would take Steve Young over Watson.... and it wouldn’t be remotely close.

[ThaVirus]

Steve Young might make my top 5 all-time.

Watson might make my top 5 right now.

There's a huge difference between the two, in my opinion.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Fuller was juiced up- no wonder he was having a good year.

Yeah, he dropped 35 points on my fantasy team before getting busted for PEDS.

[KChiefs1]

I can make a case that Deshaun Watson might even be a little better than Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes has the two runaway best weapons in football, Deshaun is doing it with mirrors and he can process it at the highest level. @undisputed. 9:30 AM-Noon ET. FS1. https://t.co/H5qssYAmH2

— Skip Bayless (@RealSkipBayless) December 4, 2020

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I can make a case that Deshaun Watson might even be a little better than Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes has the two runaway best weapons in football, Deshaun is doing it with mirrors and he can process it at the highest level. @undisputed. 9:30 AM-Noon ET. FS1. https://t.co/H5qssYAmH2

— Skip Bayless (@RealSkipBayless) December 4, 2020

Bayless is becoming a caricature of himself with these constant 'comparisons' between whoever and Mahomes. He was on a couple days ago ranting about how Tom Brady (yet again) out-played Mahomes.

About the only thing I can respect about any of it, is that it takes a lot of effort and intelligence to find ways to twist the facts to arrive at some of his conclusions.

Other than that, it's all pretty stupid, on the level of Jeff-Fisher, Steelerdane, et al.