***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yes, California opened too soon, which is why we're seeing a massive amount of cases in Los Angeles County.

If schools are forced to open next month, our COVID-19 cases will dwarf any number to date.

I`m up here in the SF bay area and we didnt open like you guys apparently. Santa Clara and Contra Costa counties had been cautious and opening very slowly with many restrictions .........until the riots. I`m calling BS on the schools staying closed. Kids need to socialize and grow. Sounds like some of the larger teachers unions have other ideas that dont necessarily have anything to do with safety but that can ride in DC.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by jdubya

II`m calling BS on the schools staying closed. Kids need to socialize and grow. Sounds like some of the larger teachers unions have other ideas that dont necessarily have anything to do with safety but that can ride in DC.

You're a ****ing moron

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't buy that excuse for a freaking minute.

If true, we'd have seen a huge outbreak in San Diego and Orange County, which we haven't as of yet.

It's no coincidence that cases have blown through the roof in Florida, Arizona, Texas and California because every one of these states opened early, which is why we're seeing the spread.

Hell, the Lt. Governor of Texas said recently that he doesn't believe in masks and that he's "heard enough" of Dr. Fauci, so much so that he no longer listens to his recommendations.

Considering the subject and the source I'd put about a 10% accuracy rating on it.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

Anecdotal for sure, and Pete may have a clearer vision that I do on this one, but I'm pretty tied to data, data collecting, and reporting as part of my career, often in healthcare. As such I know a lot of people right in the reporting soup for this thing. Requirements are ever changing and stretching IT resources pretty thin. A lot of other projects are going on hold to focus on this shit. It's stifling.

Again, just an observation from the field.

Meh, we are rolling out all of our IT projects that got put on hold for Covid. Of course we aren't getting hit at all in the hospitals so that makes a lot of difference.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

I don't know if CA opened too soon. I do think it was a mistake to open up bars and gyms.

Um, opening gyms and bars was part of the opening and clearly, it was way too soon because now, cases are exploding with no end in sight.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I`m calling BS on the schools staying closed. Kids need to socialize and grow.

Yes, socialization in the middle of a pandemic seems to be a wise course of action.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're a ****ing moron

So you disagree.....thats ok

[Kiimo]

I think I'd rather have ignorant, socially inept, growth-stunted but also alive children.

[Donger]

If you look at California's numbers, the cases never took a downturn.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I`m up here in the SF bay area and we didnt open like you guys apparently. Santa Clara and Contra Costa counties had been cautious and opening very slowly with many restrictions .........until the riots. I`m calling BS on the schools staying closed. Kids need to socialize and grow. Sounds like some of the larger teachers unions have other ideas that dont necessarily have anything to do with safety but that can ride in DC.

Let's see....a large group of people with little social distancing all indoors. What could go wrong?

[TLO]

Schools are about to become just as politicized as masks.

I hate this. I hate everything about this. I hate the people trying to fan the flames of fear. I hate the people that say "it's just the flu". I don't know who or what to believe from any source whatsoever. Everything has to be a politicized pissing match.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Um, opening gyms and bars was part of the opening and clearly, it was way too soon because now, cases are exploding with no end in sight.

Like I said....the bay area didnt open like you guys. Our gyms never re-opened. They were going to re open on July 1st but then it got held in check. The only bars serving up here were a small handful that had outdoor seating only.....but go ahead and run around and scream...it might help

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

I think I'd rather have ignorant, socially inept, growth-stunted but also alive children.

How many children are dying from covid? How many are symptomatic?

[Kiimo]

How many is an acceptable number to die

[eDave]

Originally Posted by jdubya

How many children are dying from covid? How many are asymptomatic?

FYP