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Prison Bitch · 10-25-2020, 07:50 PM

Bill falls to 2-4 without Brady.

Brady goes to 5-2 with Tampa, turning them into a title contender immediately.

Tampa had the #1 SRS (points above avg team) in the NFL of +13.1. And that was before they trashed the Fighting Chuckies today.

BlackOp · 10-26-2020, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The Bucs were loaded with talent last year. They just had a shit QB holding them back.

Brady walked onto a team who's QB just threw for 5000 yards...

Prison Bitch · 10-26-2020, 12:14 AM

I knew it. Bucs were loaded!

JD10367 · 10-26-2020, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Stidham is his guy he drafted. He picked up Cam to roll with over his guy. There were a lot of options this offseason. Hell a good look (For the sake of this discussion) would have been to get Rapist Winston. Phyllis was available. Bridgewater, who I think is decent. Reviving Daltons career would Have been a similar feat to Cam.

The defensive guys opting out sucks. But the offense is all him man.

Oh, I definitely agree. I wouldn’t have minded Winston and preferred Dalton to Cam. And clearly having Brady covered a lot of Belichick’s drafting ills. But I’m still not ready to say the past 20 years of success is all Brady.

vonBobo · 10-26-2020, 12:36 AM

Gunther Cunningham said it is the player, not the coach.

boilertiger · 10-26-2020, 01:39 AM

I think this patriots team would have been pretty bad with Brady.

They are old and the offense is completely devoid of talent.

dlphg9 · 10-26-2020, 01:39 AM

Remember how the media would suck Bill's dick because of how he stock piled draft picks? Look at Belichick the genius and his awesomeness at acquiring loads of picks every year and recently none of them have amounted to shit.

dlphg9 · 10-26-2020, 01:50 AM

God damn its worse than I thought. New England hasn't drafted a Pro Bowler since 2013 (Jamie Collins) and haven't drafted an All Pro since 2012 (Chandler Jones). In the last 10 years they've only had 1 AP (Jones x2) and 3 PBs (Collins x ,1 Jones x 3, and Dont'a Hightower x 2).

You can really see how much a HOF QB matters, but it wasn't all Tom or all Bill. Probably 60% Tommy boy and 40% Hoodie Bill.

JD10367 · 10-26-2020, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

God damn its worse than I thought. New England hasn't drafted a Pro Bowler since 2013 (Jamie Collins) and haven't drafted an All Pro since 2012 (Chandler Jones).

And he sent both those guys packing.

PAChiefsGuy · 10-26-2020, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Come on man, BB does both jobs. Just because he sucks at one doesn't give him a free pass with the other.

That's just silly.

He hasn't done good recently as a GM but the guy has 6 SB rings. His resume speaks for itself. Saying he sucks is a bit harsh.

How many rings do Chiefs as an organization have in how many years? Just saying out of all shit HCs in NFL, you want to call out BB?

Pats will be back just having a bad year it happens. You think they are going to go 13-3 every year?

They had their time w SBs and now it's over but BB will get them back playing well eventually maybe next season.

oldman · 10-26-2020, 05:34 AM

You could make an argument for both when it comes to cheating, but I believe the Hood is the bigger fraud. One winning season in his first 6 years - not something that would inspire a lot of confidence in his coaching abilty. So Tommy-boy comes along and it's a match made in heaven. Even with Brady out for the 2008 season, he makes it to the playoffs. Well, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile. But in a classic Machiavellian move, he pulls off the trade of the century, sending both Cassel and an aging Vrabel to the Chiefs, dooming us to years of mediocracy. To add a cherry on top, he talks the young Clark into hiring the only other egomaniac in the Pats front office, one Scoot Peeholi.
Bottom line, even "some members" of this board could win multiple SBs with Brady as their QB.

TwistedChief · 10-26-2020, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

2-4 is good?

Losing record without Brady is good?

This is such a ridiculous argument. You’re using a sample size of 6 games when Brady walked into a better situation and Belichick was left with a worse situation to pass judgment on two decades of evidence.

They’re both exceptional talents at what they do. Both possibly the greatest ever in their respective roles. They helped each other.

But if you really want to get into it, what do you think the Patriots record would be if Brady stayed and Belichick left? And what would Tampa’s record be if the Bucs had Belichick as their head coach and let’s say Jimmy G as their QB?

Pretty sure your conclusion would be different then.

MahomesMagic · 10-26-2020, 06:20 AM

Patriots still winning the AFC East. Heading to the casino today to put money on Patriots moneyline vs Buffalo, minimum $1000.

htismaqe · 10-26-2020, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Brady walked onto a team who's QB just threw for 5000 yards...

And 30 interceptions.

htismaqe · 10-26-2020, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

He hasn't done good recently as a GM but the guy has 6 SB rings. His resume speaks for itself. Saying he sucks is a bit harsh.

How many rings do Chiefs as an organization have in how many years? Just saying out of all shit HCs in NFL, you want to call out BB?

Pats will be back just having a bad year it happens. You think they are going to go 13-3 every year?

They had their time w SBs and now it's over but BB will get them back playing well eventually maybe next season.

He has 6 Super Bowl rings BECAUSE of Tom Brady.

He won't win another SB without Brady. It's that simple.

htismaqe · 10-26-2020, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

This is such a ridiculous argument. You’re using a sample size of 6 games when Brady walked into a better situation and Belichick was left with a worse situation to pass judgment on two decades of evidence.

They’re both exceptional talents at what they do. Both possibly the greatest ever in their respective roles. They helped each other.

But if you really want to get into it, what do you think the Patriots record would be if Brady stayed and Belichick left? And what would Tampa’s record be if the Bucs had Belichick as their head coach and let’s say Jimmy G as their QB?

Pretty sure your conclusion would be different then.

In 7 seasons without Tom Brady, Bill has won an average of 7 games. That includes his 11-5 season in Cleveland and the season with Cassel but does not include this current season since it isn't complete.

It would be one thing if he were an above-500 coach without Brady but he's not.

The NFL revolves around QB's. Is Bill a great coach? Absolutely. But without Brady, he's not a champion.

Just like Andy is not a champion without Mahomes.

QB's are the cake, coaches are the frosting.

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10-25-2020, 07:50 PM
Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012	It’s official: Pats were always Tom Brady. Not Bill Belichick. Bill falls to 2-4 without Brady. Brady goes to 5-2 with Tampa, turning them into a title contender immediately. Tampa had the #1 SRS (points above avg team) in the NFL of +13.1. And that was before they trashed the Fighting Chuckies today.
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10-26-2020, 12:14 AM	#77
Prison Bitch Rabbi Goldmann Join Date: Nov 2012	I knew it. Bucs were loaded!
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10-26-2020, 12:36 AM	#79
vonBobo Starter Join Date: Jan 2019	Gunther Cunningham said it is the player, not the coach.
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10-26-2020, 01:39 AM	#80
boilertiger Starter Join Date: Oct 2019	I think this patriots team would have been pretty bad with Brady. They are old and the offense is completely devoid of talent.
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10-26-2020, 01:39 AM	#81
dlphg9 MVP dlphg9's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2010	Remember how the media would suck Bill's dick because of how he stock piled draft picks? Look at Belichick the genius and his awesomeness at acquiring loads of picks every year and recently none of them have amounted to shit.
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dlphg9 MVP dlphg9's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2010	God damn its worse than I thought. New England hasn't drafted a Pro Bowler since 2013 (Jamie Collins) and haven't drafted an All Pro since 2012 (Chandler Jones). In the last 10 years they've only had 1 AP (Jones x2) and 3 PBs (Collins x ,1 Jones x 3, and Dont'a Hightower x 2). You can really see how much a HOF QB matters, but it wasn't all Tom or all Bill. Probably 60% Tommy boy and 40% Hoodie Bill.
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10-26-2020, 05:34 AM	#85
oldman Curmudgeon oldman's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North by Northwest	You could make an argument for both when it comes to cheating, but I believe the Hood is the bigger fraud. One winning season in his first 6 years - not something that would inspire a lot of confidence in his coaching abilty. So Tommy-boy comes along and it's a match made in heaven. Even with Brady out for the 2008 season, he makes it to the playoffs. Well, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile. But in a classic Machiavellian move, he pulls off the trade of the century, sending both Cassel and an aging Vrabel to the Chiefs, dooming us to years of mediocracy. To add a cherry on top, he talks the young Clark into hiring the only other egomaniac in the Pats front office, one Scoot Peeholi. Bottom line, even "some members" of this board could win multiple SBs with Brady as their QB.
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10-26-2020, 06:20 AM	#87
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