Deshaun Watson is not a top 10 QB

[dlphg9]

Deshaun Watson is constantly getting praised as one of the best young QBs. Hell before the season people were saying he was 2nd best behind Mahomes. I'm here to tell you that he's not even in the top 10.

Deshaun Watson did have a bad GM in B.O.B, but he wasn't that bad as a coach. He always had the Texans respectable, but what he did to that franchise as a GM is senile. That doesn't mean he has to be the scape goat for every time Watson makes a mistake or can't close out a game. Watson was one of/if not the main reason for the playoff loss to the Chiefs. No elite QB is going to allow an opponent to run away with a game after being up 24-0. Another scape goat Watson has is his O line. He is terrible in the pocket and is the main reason for his high sack rate.

He has had success in his past seasons and it seems to me that a lot of that success was due to DeAndre Hopkins ability to catch everything that was anywhere close to him. He made that team so much better and was more important than Watson. Just look at this year what has happened in Houston. Hopkins got traded and the team literally fell apart and Watson has been absolute trash. Now how is he trash when he's on pace for 4800 yards and 34 TDs? He's a god damn garbage time all star, but he struts around like he's playing like an all pro and that his team is trash.

He has sucked shit in the 1st quarter all year and is one of the main reasons why his team is always playing from behind. In the 1st quarter of games this year he is

27/46, 58.7% comp, 285 yards, 1 TD, 13 1st down passes. That's in 7 ****ing games! Almost half a season and he's managed 1 passing TD and a measly 285 yds in the first quarter. Compare that to his 4th quarter stats when he can just throw it against a prevent defense when his team is down double digits. 50/74, 67.5% comp, 685 yds, 7 TDs, 2 Ints. These numbers would be elite and he'd be considered clutch if they'd would have won more than one game.

This is the score of all of his games this year going into the 4th quarter and a little of what transpires

KC - 24 - 7

Balt - 23 - 10

Pit - 20 - 21
Houston was up, but Watson threw an int during an 8 play 42 yd drive at the beginning of the 4th quarter and Pitt capitalized and scored the go ahead TD right after that. Watson gets the ball back down a TD, but he takes one of his patented sacks and goes 3 and out and never sees the ball again. With how great he's been in the 4th quarter this year and how elite he is you'd expect more than 45 yds and an int in the 4th, but he choked the game away.

Min - 24 - 16
Deshaun had a chance to tie the game, but couldn't punch it in when they had the ball with around a minute left 2nd down and 1 yard to go from the Minnesota 1. David Johnson tries to run it in and gets stuffed. Then on 3rd down Watson is running an option and gets scared of a big hit, so he tosses it to David and David doesn't catch it, but he recovers the fumble and it's a 4 yard loss. 4th and 5 gives Watson a chance to redeem himself, but he thinks DeAndre Hopkins is out there running a route and will bail out his shitty overthrown fade route. Not DeAndre does his best, but he can't overcome Watson's shit ball.

Jax - Houston's only win!

Ten -
Deshaun tries really hard, but for some dumb shit reason the Texans go up 7 with 1:53 left in the game and Romeo oh Romeo says "Hey Mr Clutch, go out there and get us 2 points, so this game is over" and Deshaun replies "no probs Romeo O'Brien, I mean Bill, I got this", but Mr. Clutch ain't so clutch and two point conv fails. Ten scores a TD, makes XP, gets ball in OT and drives down for a win.

GB - 28 - 7, but Deshaun tears that prevent up in the 4th and racks up those garbage time numbers to the tune of 100 yards and a TD. 72 and the TD of those yards came in one drive when it really mattered down 35 to 14 with 3:40 left in the game a 2 minute drive to make it a 2 score game. Real nail biter.

Deshaun ****ing sucks. He ain't shit. He got paid and will continually get talked as if he's some elite QB on a team devoid of talent because B.O.B ****ed the franchise. Watson is gonna hit free agency in a few years and get another huge deal because it's not his fault the team never gets above 8-8 again. He will be shitting the bed in the first year of his next deal and everyone will be wondering why Bill O' Brien and his offensive line are still preventing him from winning a game.

Eat shit DeBerg

[DRM08]

He’s playing very well right now. I kinda think he was tanking on purpose to get rid of O’Brien.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by RunKC

But Alex had Andy Reid, Tyreek and Kelce. Oh and Hunt too. Tannehill’s success is dependent on Henry. He uses play action and bootlegs just like Rat QB’s did in Denver.

Watson has no HC and the thing about him was that Hopkins was his safety net. Now that he’s gone the guy is having a career year.

He’ll never be Patrick Mahomes, but nobody is. Watson is a top 10 QB and honestly we’d be happy with him if we weren’t able to get Patrick.

He's having a career year statistically while piling up garbage time stats. He's been trash in the 1st quarter and has allowed his team to fall behind.

Everyone's gonna start sucking his dick again because wow oh wow he has a high QB Rating and he's led them to 4 wins. 2 wins against the 1-9 Jags, 1 win vs the 4-7 Lions, 1 win against the 4-6 Pats. How outstanding of him that his only wins are against losing teams with a combined record of 10-31.

So he's cranking out wins vs trash teams and padding stats at the end of games where the TDs and YDs mean nothing. How very top 10ish of him.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by -King-

Literally no one has said he should be mvp.

I can’t remember who it was, but someone actually said that this morning.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

I can’t remember who it was, but someone actually said that this morning.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bat...e-nfl-mvp-race

[DanT]

When I've seen Watson play, which hasn't been that often and includes his relatively poor game against the Chiefs this year (QBR of 45.1), he looks like a good QB to me, a winner. Right now, he's ranked 9th in QBR (https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr). Of the 8 QBs ahead of him, he younger than 6 of them. Mahomes is 3 days younger and Josh Allen is 9 months younger than Watson. I think Watson is going to get even better than he already is, because experience really helps most talented young QBs get better and better.

You can see his 2020 splits here: https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/spli...deshaun-watson

[TEX]

Originally Posted by DanT

When I've seen Watson play, which hasn't been that often and includes his relatively poor game against the Chiefs this year (QBR of 45.1), he looks like a good QB to me, a winner. Right now, he's ranked 9th in QBR (https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr). Of the 8 QBs ahead of him, he younger than 6 of them. Mahomes is 3 days younger and Josh Allen is 9 months younger than Watson. I think Watson is going to get even better than he already is, because experience really helps most talented young QBs get better and better.

You can see his 2020 splits here: ttps://www.espn.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/3122840/deshaun-watson

He's gonna get better also b/c BOB is finally out of his way. Ive seen most of his games - dude can play and he's a leader. Very coachable too. If KC would have drafted him, he'd be better than he is now. Cant understand how anyone could say that he's not a Top 10 QB. I think I've said that at least 10 times throughout this thread, so what's one more?...

[TEX]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

He's having a career year statistically while piling up garbage time stats. He's been trash in the 1st quarter and has allowed his team to fall behind.

Everyone's gonna start sucking his dick again because wow oh wow he has a high QB Rating and he's led them to 4 wins. 2 wins against the 1-9 Jags, 1 win vs the 4-7 Lions, 1 win against the 4-6 Pats. How outstanding of him that his only wins are against losing teams with a combined record of 10-31.

So he's cranking out wins vs trash teams and padding stats at the end of games where the TDs and YDs mean nothing. How very top 10ish of him.

You're way off base here. He's not Drew Lock.... Watson has been playing very well at all junctures of games since BOB was fired. As far as doing it against bad teams, well he's on a bad team himself. Its pretty obvious you have a narrative and aren't seeing the full scope of how he is playing.

[CasselGotPeedOn]

It's crazy to think the AFC is gonna have Mahomes, Watson, Burrow, and Lawrence. Not to mention guys like Allen, Tua, and Herbert. Lotta Qb talent in the conference.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

He's having a career year statistically while piling up garbage time stats. He's been trash in the 1st quarter and has allowed his team to fall behind.

Everyone's gonna start sucking his dick again because wow oh wow he has a high QB Rating and he's led them to 4 wins. 2 wins against the 1-9 Jags, 1 win vs the 4-7 Lions, 1 win against the 4-6 Pats. How outstanding of him that his only wins are against losing teams with a combined record of 10-31.

So he's cranking out wins vs trash teams and padding stats at the end of games where the TDs and YDs mean nothing. How very top 10ish of him.

3.5 of Chris Jones 5.5 sacks this year were against teams with losing records. Guess he sucks too.

Maybe now you’ll see how stupid that logic is.

[ChiefsCountry]

Watson is better than what CP thinks he is and worst than what the national media thinks he is. I'm glad he isnt in the AFC West or on Baltimore. Raiders or Ravens would be legit good with Watson as their QB.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Watson is better than what CP thinks he is and worst than what the national media thinks he is. I'm glad he isnt in the AFC West or on Baltimore. Raiders or Ravens would be legit good with Watson as their QB.

Good post, probably true.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Watson is better than what CP thinks he is and worst than what the national media thinks he is. I'm glad he isnt in the AFC West or on Baltimore. Raiders or Ravens would be legit good with Watson as their QB.

Mostly agree, although Carr is good as well. Loved how Watson played yesterday.

[htismaqe]

You know, looking through my list, I see a lot of age on there.

If I took out the older guys and went solely on youth, Watson is probably #2 on my list after Mahomes. Either him or Josh Allen. Maybe Kyler Murray.

With guys like Herbert and Burrow, they're TOO young and haven't really proven they can sustain in the NFL.

Everybody else that is really good has multiple years of experience, they aren't really "young" anymore, not even Wilson.

In fact, if I really look at it, the list is Mahomes, Watson, Murray, and Allen and that's kind of it.

So yeah, I may have to rethink my stance on Watson. I still don't know that he'll ever be an elite QB but I probably haven't given him a fair shake.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

He's having a career year statistically while piling up garbage time stats. He's been trash in the 1st quarter and has allowed his team to fall behind.

Everyone's gonna start sucking his dick again because wow oh wow he has a high QB Rating and he's led them to 4 wins. 2 wins against the 1-9 Jags, 1 win vs the 4-7 Lions, 1 win against the 4-6 Pats. How outstanding of him that his only wins are against losing teams with a combined record of 10-31.

So he's cranking out wins vs trash teams and padding stats at the end of games where the TDs and YDs mean nothing. How very top 10ish of him.

You realize his record was 24-13 before this season right? And he still was putting up really good numbers. So no, I don't buy the "it's just garbage time stats" bullshit.

If BoB didn't completely ruin that team he'd still be putting up great numbers except they'd be winning too.

[TwistedChief]

The narrative that Watson is a guy who gets all his yards during garbage time is something conjured up by Chiefs fans after we first faced him in 2017. And at that point, it was fair.

It’s pretty clear since then he’s done a lot more than that though. And if he were our starter, I’d respect the hell out of his game.