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kccrow · 10-24-2021, 07:41 PM

Let's pretend Veach wasn't aggressive and did something abnormal. Trying to be realistic with draft picks and not chase the absolute best option, here's a what-if keeping FA signings and other draft picks intact (if trades don't impact):

2018 - Traded 2 1's for Frank Clark and drafted Speaks in 2. Splash signings of WR Sammy Watkins and LB Anthony Hitchens. Traded Peters that year.

Instead keeps ER Justin Houston, takes LB Rashaan Evans in 1 and FS Jessie Bates in 2.

2019 - Veach traded 1 for Frank Clark in 2018 and drafted Hardman and Thornhill in 2. Splash signing of SS Tyrann Mathieu.

Instead takes OC Elgton Jenkins (to replace Morse) in 1 and stays put and takes WR DK Metcalf and RB David Montgomery (to replace Hunt) in 2.

2020 - Drafted RB Clyde Edwards-Helair in 1 and LB Willie Gay in 2. No splash signing, re-signed DT Chris Jones.

Instead takes CB Jaylon Johnson in 1 and LB Logan Wilson in 2.

2021 - Veach traded 1 for Orlando Brown Jr and a 2, drafted LB Nick Bolton and OC Creed Humphrey in 2. Splash signing of LG Joe Thuney.

If Veach wasn't completely fixated on the OL, he has the cap and the vision to go out and get a Trey Hendrickson or Matt Judon at DE (because he didn't kill his cap with Clark). Let's have him make another splash and sign Trey Hendrickson.

Instead takes OT Teven Jenkins in 1 and DT Alim McNeill in 2. Also, retain 3rd and 4th round picks to select DE Ronnie Perkins and OT Royce Newman.

Let's take a look at where the roster would be right now:

QB P. Mahomes, C. Henne
RB D. Montgomery, D. Williams, J. McKinnon, D. Gore
FB M. Burton
WR T. Hill, D. Metcalf, J. Gordon, D. Robinson, B. Pringle, M. Kemp
TE T. Kelce, N. Gray, B. Bell
OT L. Niang, T. Jenkins, M. Remmers, P. Tega-Wanogho
OG J. Thuney, T. Smith, L. Duvernay-Tardif, N. Allegretti, R. Newman
OC E. Jenkins, A. Blythe

DE T. Hendrickson, M. Danna, R. Perkins, A. Okafor, J. Kaindoh
DT C. Jones, D. Nnadi, A. McNeill, K. Saunders, T. Wharton, J. Reed
LB R. Evans, A. Hitchens, L. Wilson, B. Niemann, D. O'Daniel, D. Harris
CB C. Ward, J. Johnson, L. Sneed, R. Fenton, D. Baker, M. Hughes
DB T. Mathieu, J. Bates, A. Watts, D. Sorensen

Maybe you sub out some draft picks for other guys, but the point is that if Veach would be less aggressive he'd probably have a much more complete roster than he has developed. You look at just taking the guys that come to you and you can put together something pretty good.

Some guys have jumped for joy when the Chiefs have traded away multiple picks for a player, and then also turn around and start handing out contracts. Some of us have kind of sat back and questioned that a bit (and some of you ALOT). I think the questioning deserves some merit.

I think it's time for Veach to start building the right way. Keep the picks and take guys that fit what you need. Oh, and a few less complete rolls of the dice. Sometimes you gotta take the production.

10-24-2021, 07:41 PM	Topic Starter
kccrow MVP kccrow's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan	Hypothetical: Retaining Picks Let's pretend Veach wasn't aggressive and did something abnormal. Trying to be realistic with draft picks and not chase the absolute best option, here's a what-if keeping FA signings and other draft picks intact (if trades don't impact): 2018 - Traded 2 1's for Frank Clark and drafted Speaks in 2. Splash signings of WR Sammy Watkins and LB Anthony Hitchens. Traded Peters that year. Instead keeps ER Justin Houston, takes LB Rashaan Evans in 1 and FS Jessie Bates in 2. 2019 - Veach traded 1 for Frank Clark in 2018 and drafted Hardman and Thornhill in 2. Splash signing of SS Tyrann Mathieu. Instead takes OC Elgton Jenkins (to replace Morse) in 1 and stays put and takes WR DK Metcalf and RB David Montgomery (to replace Hunt) in 2. 2020 - Drafted RB Clyde Edwards-Helair in 1 and LB Willie Gay in 2. No splash signing, re-signed DT Chris Jones. Instead takes CB Jaylon Johnson in 1 and LB Logan Wilson in 2. 2021 - Veach traded 1 for Orlando Brown Jr and a 2, drafted LB Nick Bolton and OC Creed Humphrey in 2. Splash signing of LG Joe Thuney. If Veach wasn't completely fixated on the OL, he has the cap and the vision to go out and get a Trey Hendrickson or Matt Judon at DE (because he didn't kill his cap with Clark). Let's have him make another splash and sign Trey Hendrickson. Instead takes OT Teven Jenkins in 1 and DT Alim McNeill in 2. Also, retain 3rd and 4th round picks to select DE Ronnie Perkins and OT Royce Newman. Let's take a look at where the roster would be right now: QB P. Mahomes, C. Henne RB D. Montgomery, D. Williams, J. McKinnon, D. Gore FB M. Burton WR T. Hill, D. Metcalf, J. Gordon, D. Robinson, B. Pringle, M. Kemp TE T. Kelce, N. Gray, B. Bell OT L. Niang, T. Jenkins, M. Remmers, P. Tega-Wanogho OG J. Thuney, T. Smith, L. Duvernay-Tardif, N. Allegretti, R. Newman OC E. Jenkins, A. Blythe DE T. Hendrickson, M. Danna, R. Perkins, A. Okafor, J. Kaindoh DT C. Jones, D. Nnadi, A. McNeill, K. Saunders, T. Wharton, J. Reed LB R. Evans, A. Hitchens, L. Wilson, B. Niemann, D. O'Daniel, D. Harris CB C. Ward, J. Johnson, L. Sneed, R. Fenton, D. Baker, M. Hughes DB T. Mathieu, J. Bates, A. Watts, D. Sorensen Maybe you sub out some draft picks for other guys, but the point is that if Veach would be less aggressive he'd probably have a much more complete roster than he has developed. You look at just taking the guys that come to you and you can put together something pretty good. Some guys have jumped for joy when the Chiefs have traded away multiple picks for a player, and then also turn around and start handing out contracts. Some of us have kind of sat back and questioned that a bit (and some of you ALOT). I think the questioning deserves some merit. I think it's time for Veach to start building the right way. Keep the picks and take guys that fit what you need. Oh, and a few less complete rolls of the dice. Sometimes you gotta take the production.
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