***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[SupDock]

For the record, I'm quite troubled by the fact that my non-political post was edited

I haven't been particularly argumentative, and I believe I have contributed significantly to this thread.


Edit

My mistake, my original post was not edited, just the quotation

I apologize

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Fair enough, but I think someones scientific perspective is important when considering their opinion

You could always just address what was posted. JMO

[TLO]

Originally Posted by FAX

More testing that is far more accurate is going to result in additional cases reported so we can expect the total # of cases to rise. (It helps to know what you're looking for.)

From the journal Science ... an excerpt from the abstract;

Here we use observations of reported infection within China, in conjunction with mobility data, a networked dynamic metapopulation model and Bayesian inference, to infer critical epidemiological characteristics associated with SARS-CoV2, including the fraction of undocumented infections and their contagiousness.

We estimate 86% of all infections were undocumented (95% CI: [82%–90%]) prior to 23 January 2020 travel restrictions.

https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...cience.abb3221

FAX

Mr. Fax,

I'd typically love to dive into this information but my brain is overloaded and I'm tired.

Can you give a brief rundown of the article?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by SupDock

For the record, I'm quite troubled by the fact that my non-political post was edited

I haven't been particularly argumentative, and I believe I have contributed significantly to this thread.

You absolutely have. I'm glad you're hear sharing information with us.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by SupDock

For the record, I'm quite troubled by the fact that my non-political post was edited

I haven't been particularly argumentative, and I believe I have contributed significantly to this thread.

Uh......he only edited what he quoted. Your original post is still the same.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Why do you insist on calling it hysteria/panic instead of concern , why does everything have to be at the extreme of the spectrum.

Seen the toilet paper isle lately? That's how we know it is hysteria.

[Stanley Nickels]

Very interesting perspective about the psychological aspect of this crisis.. please ignore the political bent (and mods,feel free to remove if this is considered political because of the host): https://youtu.be/O1sF5GXbWf4

Very important insight into how our fears and lack of control are driving the hoarding and anxiety.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by stumppy

WOW

I view that as a good thing (under the circumstances).

You can't properly fight what you can't understand.

There are a number of serious virologists who have said that people have probably been walking around with this without their knowledge for weeks - possibly months. Including, by the way, right here in the US.

And those experts have actually been saying that since late February.

FAX

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by SupDock

For the record, I'm quite troubled by the fact that my non-political post was edited

I haven't been particularly argumentative, and I believe I have contributed significantly to this thread.

Which post? The one I quoted?

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by SupDock

For the record, I'm quite troubled by the fact that my non-political post was edited

I haven't been particularly argumentative, and I believe I have contributed significantly to this thread.

You know what they say about opinions right? I am sure everyone will be kissing your ass when we are all choking on the stench from the smoke of all the burning bodies.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Uh......he only edited what he quoted. Your original post is still the same.

You are right. Fixed my post.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

Which post? The one I quoted?

My mistake. I changed my post

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by SupDock

My mistake. I changed my post

No worries.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Seen the toilet paper isle lately? That's how we know it is hysteria.

Is the run on ammo hysteria?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Link?

The CDC...

The actual metric they use for non-serious cases is 84%.

Link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...2Fsummary.html

The complete clinical picture with regard to COVID-19 is not fully known. Reported illnesses have ranged from very mild (including some with no reported symptoms) to severe, including illness resulting in death. While information so far suggests that most COVID-19 illness is mild, a report out of China suggests serious illness occurs in 16% of cases. Older people and people of all ages with severe chronic medical conditions — like heart disease, lung disease and diabetes, for example — seem to be at higher risk of developing serious COVID-19 illness.