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dlphg9 · 10-27-2020, 02:09 AM

Deshaun Watson is constantly getting praised as one of the best young QBs. Hell before the season people were saying he was 2nd best behind Mahomes. I'm here to tell you that he's not even in the top 10.

Deshaun Watson did have a bad GM in B.O.B, but he wasn't that bad as a coach. He always had the Texans respectable, but what he did to that franchise as a GM is senile. That doesn't mean he has to be the scape goat for every time Watson makes a mistake or can't close out a game. Watson was one of/if not the main reason for the playoff loss to the Chiefs. No elite QB is going to allow an opponent to run away with a game after being up 24-0. Another scape goat Watson has is his O line. He is terrible in the pocket and is the main reason for his high sack rate.

He has had success in his past seasons and it seems to me that a lot of that success was due to DeAndre Hopkins ability to catch everything that was anywhere close to him. He made that team so much better and was more important than Watson. Just look at this year what has happened in Houston. Hopkins got traded and the team literally fell apart and Watson has been absolute trash. Now how is he trash when he's on pace for 4800 yards and 34 TDs? He's a god damn garbage time all star, but he struts around like he's playing like an all pro and that his team is trash.

He has sucked shit in the 1st quarter all year and is one of the main reasons why his team is always playing from behind. In the 1st quarter of games this year he is

27/46, 58.7% comp, 285 yards, 1 TD, 13 1st down passes. That's in 7 ****ing games! Almost half a season and he's managed 1 passing TD and a measly 285 yds in the first quarter. Compare that to his 4th quarter stats when he can just throw it against a prevent defense when his team is down double digits. 50/74, 67.5% comp, 685 yds, 7 TDs, 2 Ints. These numbers would be elite and he'd be considered clutch if they'd would have won more than one game.

This is the score of all of his games this year going into the 4th quarter and a little of what transpires

KC - 24 - 7

Balt - 23 - 10

Pit - 20 - 21
Houston was up, but Watson threw an int during an 8 play 42 yd drive at the beginning of the 4th quarter and Pitt capitalized and scored the go ahead TD right after that. Watson gets the ball back down a TD, but he takes one of his patented sacks and goes 3 and out and never sees the ball again. With how great he's been in the 4th quarter this year and how elite he is you'd expect more than 45 yds and an int in the 4th, but he choked the game away.

Min - 24 - 16
Deshaun had a chance to tie the game, but couldn't punch it in when they had the ball with around a minute left 2nd down and 1 yard to go from the Minnesota 1. David Johnson tries to run it in and gets stuffed. Then on 3rd down Watson is running an option and gets scared of a big hit, so he tosses it to David and David doesn't catch it, but he recovers the fumble and it's a 4 yard loss. 4th and 5 gives Watson a chance to redeem himself, but he thinks DeAndre Hopkins is out there running a route and will bail out his shitty overthrown fade route. Not DeAndre does his best, but he can't overcome Watson's shit ball.

Jax - Houston's only win!

Ten -
Deshaun tries really hard, but for some dumb shit reason the Texans go up 7 with 1:53 left in the game and Romeo oh Romeo says "Hey Mr Clutch, go out there and get us 2 points, so this game is over" and Deshaun replies "no probs Romeo O'Brien, I mean Bill, I got this", but Mr. Clutch ain't so clutch and two point conv fails. Ten scores a TD, makes XP, gets ball in OT and drives down for a win.

GB - 28 - 7, but Deshaun tears that prevent up in the 4th and racks up those garbage time numbers to the tune of 100 yards and a TD. 72 and the TD of those yards came in one drive when it really mattered down 35 to 14 with 3:40 left in the game a 2 minute drive to make it a 2 score game. Real nail biter.

Deshaun ****ing sucks. He ain't shit. He got paid and will continually get talked as if he's some elite QB on a team devoid of talent because B.O.B ****ed the franchise. Watson is gonna hit free agency in a few years and get another huge deal because it's not his fault the team never gets above 8-8 again. He will be shitting the bed in the first year of his next deal and everyone will be wondering why Bill O' Brien and his offensive line are still preventing him from winning a game.

Eat shit DeBerg

Megatron96 · 10-29-2020, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan

I stopped reading when he said bob wasn't a bad head coach.

JakeF · 10-29-2020, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

His contract might not be easy to trade.

There's a potential out year in 2024 but in 2022 and 2023 he's going to cost over $40M against the cap. His base salary balloons from $10.5M next year to $35M in 2022.

Welp, that ends that idea.

mililo4cpa · 10-29-2020, 08:34 PM

Who cares? If you're not elite, then what does it matter.

Watson is obviously a starter in this league and has some great plays on his resume.....
but he's never going to be the guy to put a team on his shoulders and carry them when everything is breaking down around him (say like down 20-10 in the Super Bowl with 10 mins left).....Heck, he was spotted 24 points in the playoffs and got blew out....

He can certainly win games in this league with the right talent around him, but that's about the extent of it....and that's probably about the same as 15 - 20 other QBs in the league....

OrtonsPiercedTaint · 10-30-2020, 03:41 AM

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BlackOp · 10-30-2020, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

That "top draft capital" is the property of the Miami Dolphins

Dont they have the Texans 1st and 2nd rounder? Dolphins could get good pretty quickly if Tua pans out.

WhiteWhale · 10-30-2020, 11:51 AM

I'll say this: for whatever reason the sports media annointed Watson and are far less critical of him than other qbs.

DRM08 · 10-30-2020, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

I'll say this: for whatever reason the sports media annointed Watson and are far less critical of him than other qbs.

That is true. His success at Clemson is carrying over into media coverage of him these days. But if you dig through Houston Texans fan forums, you will find that they know he holds the ball too long and doesn't read defenses as well as you would want for a $39M per year QB.

One of my biggest knocks on Deshaun is that he tries to run over defenders. He is not smart at all about sliding or going out of bounds. If the team expects you to be a franchise QB for 15-20 years, you damn well better get smart about this aspect of the game. People talk about Lamar Jackson being a short term QB in this league due to running so much, but he has a much smarter approach to avoid hits compared to Deshaun.

Eureka · 10-30-2020, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

That "top draft capital" is the property of the Miami Dolphins

Yeah, my sarcasm wasn't shinning through enough.

Texans have everyone but a few players on the trading block. Also, they probably won't have their first pick until pick 68?

At least their cap situation isn't horrible.

ModSocks · 10-30-2020, 12:38 PM

Ya'll are doing in this thread what the "experts" do when evaluating college talent: Judging the player by the team instead of the player himself.

The Texans ARE Deshaun Watson. There's no one else.

They feature a RB that was washed up two seasons ago.

Brandin Cooks who's what, on his 4th team in 6 seasons? When the Patriots, Rams and Saints decide they don't need you, that says something.

Will Fuller who is, IMO, the most over rated WR in the league. He runs fast, big whoop. He has stone hands, he always injured and he doesn't change a defensive game plan unless there's a real #1 on the other side.

30 Year old Randall Cobb, an aging roster with NO DEPTH at all and what quite possibly could be the worst HC in the league. (Yeah we all remember the Romeo Crennel season, don't we?)

Give this guy a stable front office, a creative HC and OC, and some legit weapons (you know, the things every successful young QB gets).

The tools are all there. It's undeniable. Now get him some help so he can actually develop those tools into success.

htismaqe · 10-30-2020, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Eureka

Yeah, my sarcasm wasn't shinning through enough.

Texans have everyone but a few players on the trading block. Also, they probably won't have their first pick until pick 68?

At least their cap situation isn't horrible.

They have a couple of bad contracts - Tunsil for sure.

ModSocks · 10-30-2020, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mililo4cpa

Who cares? If you're not elite, then what does it matter.

Watson is obviously a starter in this league and has some great plays on his resume.....
but he's never going to be the guy to put a team on his shoulders and carry them when everything is breaking down around him (say like down 20-10 in the Super Bowl with 10 mins left).....Heck, he was spotted 24 points in the playoffs and got blew out....

He can certainly win games in this league with the right talent around him, but that's about the extent of it....and that's probably about the same as 15 - 20 other QBs in the league....

If you're setting the bar at "He's not Patrick Mahomes", that's a pretty damn unrealistic standard.

htismaqe · 10-30-2020, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

If you're setting the bar at "He's not Patrick Mahomes", that's a pretty damn unrealistic standard.

I'm not sure he's even Dak Prescott or Derek Carr.

I'm just not that high on Watson. He's physically gifted but has some fairly significant mental issues, IMO. I'm not sure he's ever going to be a top 1/3 QB.

ModSocks · 10-30-2020, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm not sure he's even Dak Prescott or Derek Carr.

Oh C'mon. You wanna argue Dak i'll hear you because he's criminally under rated. Carr was the laughing stock of the AFCW until Gruden got him a shiny new Ruggs, a top 5 RB and a top OL.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm just not that high on Watson. He's physically gifted but has some fairly significant mental issues, IMO. I'm not sure he's ever going to be a top 1/3 QB.

Get him some coaching who will mold the offense to his skill set, like Jackson, Murray, Mahomes etc. He doesn't have significant mental issues, he just needs a damn scheme to help him out while he grows.

Will he be top 1-3? Probably not ever as long as Mahomes and Wilson are around.

But top 10? For sure. You can build and sustain a good offense around this guy for years to come.

htismaqe · 10-30-2020, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Get him some coaching who will mold the offense to his skill set, like Jackson, Murray, Mahomes etc. He doesn't have significant mental issues, he just needs a damn scheme to help him out while he grows.

Will he be top 1-3? Probably not ever as long as Mahomes and Wilson are around.

But top 10? For sure. You can build and sustain a good offense around this guy for years to come.

What Watson needs is a WR that can go up and bring down jump balls. He's just not ever going to be a precision QB.

ModSocks · 10-30-2020, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

What Watson needs is a WR that can go up and bring down jump balls. He's just not ever going to be a precision QB.

We may never know.

But i think he just needs an OC that can give him some schematic advantages. Bieniemy just might be that guy, idk.

10-27-2020, 02:09 AM
dlphg9 MVP dlphg9's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2010	Deshaun Watson is not a top 10 QB Deshaun Watson is constantly getting praised as one of the best young QBs. Hell before the season people were saying he was 2nd best behind Mahomes. I'm here to tell you that he's not even in the top 10. Deshaun Watson did have a bad GM in B.O.B, but he wasn't that bad as a coach. He always had the Texans respectable, but what he did to that franchise as a GM is senile. That doesn't mean he has to be the scape goat for every time Watson makes a mistake or can't close out a game. Watson was one of/if not the main reason for the playoff loss to the Chiefs. No elite QB is going to allow an opponent to run away with a game after being up 24-0. Another scape goat Watson has is his O line. He is terrible in the pocket and is the main reason for his high sack rate. He has had success in his past seasons and it seems to me that a lot of that success was due to DeAndre Hopkins ability to catch everything that was anywhere close to him. He made that team so much better and was more important than Watson. Just look at this year what has happened in Houston. Hopkins got traded and the team literally fell apart and Watson has been absolute trash. Now how is he trash when he's on pace for 4800 yards and 34 TDs? He's a god damn garbage time all star, but he struts around like he's playing like an all pro and that his team is trash. He has sucked shit in the 1st quarter all year and is one of the main reasons why his team is always playing from behind. In the 1st quarter of games this year he is 27/46, 58.7% comp, 285 yards, 1 TD, 13 1st down passes. That's in 7 **ing games! Almost half a season and he's managed 1 passing TD and a measly 285 yds in the first quarter. Compare that to his 4th quarter stats when he can just throw it against a prevent defense when his team is down double digits. 50/74, 67.5% comp, 685 yds, 7 TDs, 2 Ints. These numbers would be elite and he'd be considered clutch if they'd would have won more than one game. This is the score of all of his games this year going into the 4th quarter and a little of what transpires KC - 24 - 7 Balt - 23 - 10 Pit - 20 - 21 Houston was up, but Watson threw an int during an 8 play 42 yd drive at the beginning of the 4th quarter and Pitt capitalized and scored the go ahead TD right after that. Watson gets the ball back down a TD, but he takes one of his patented sacks and goes 3 and out and never sees the ball again. With how great he's been in the 4th quarter this year and how elite he is you'd expect more than 45 yds and an int in the 4th, but he choked the game away. Min - 24 - 16 Deshaun had a chance to tie the game, but couldn't punch it in when they had the ball with around a minute left 2nd down and 1 yard to go from the Minnesota 1. David Johnson tries to run it in and gets stuffed. Then on 3rd down Watson is running an option and gets scared of a big hit, so he tosses it to David and David doesn't catch it, but he recovers the fumble and it's a 4 yard loss. 4th and 5 gives Watson a chance to redeem himself, but he thinks DeAndre Hopkins is out there running a route and will bail out his shitty overthrown fade route. Not DeAndre does his best, but he can't overcome Watson's shit ball. Jax - Houston's only win! Ten - Deshaun tries really hard, but for some dumb shit reason the Texans go up 7 with 1:53 left in the game and Romeo oh Romeo says "Hey Mr Clutch, go out there and get us 2 points, so this game is over" and Deshaun replies "no probs Romeo O'Brien, I mean Bill, I got this", but Mr. Clutch ain't so clutch and two point conv fails. Ten scores a TD, makes XP, gets ball in OT and drives down for a win. GB - 28 - 7, but Deshaun tears that prevent up in the 4th and racks up those garbage time numbers to the tune of 100 yards and a TD. 72 and the TD of those yards came in one drive when it really mattered down 35 to 14 with 3:40 left in the game a 2 minute drive to make it a 2 score game. Real nail biter. Deshaun ing sucks. He ain't shit. He got paid and will continually get talked as if he's some elite QB on a team devoid of talent because B.O.B **ed the franchise. Watson is gonna hit free agency in a few years and get another huge deal because it's not his fault the team never gets above 8-8 again. He will be shitting the bed in the first year of his next deal and everyone will be wondering why Bill O' Brien and his offensive line are still preventing him from winning a game. Eat shit DeBerg
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mililo4cpa Veteran mililo4cpa's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Orlando, FL	Who cares? If you're not elite, then what does it matter. Watson is obviously a starter in this league and has some great plays on his resume..... but he's never going to be the guy to put a team on his shoulders and carry them when everything is breaking down around him (say like down 20-10 in the Super Bowl with 10 mins left).....Heck, he was spotted 24 points in the playoffs and got blew out.... He can certainly win games in this league with the right talent around him, but that's about the extent of it....and that's probably about the same as 15 - 20 other QBs in the league....
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ModSocks Needs more middle fingers ModSocks's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego	Ya'll are doing in this thread what the "experts" do when evaluating college talent: Judging the player by the team instead of the player himself. The Texans ARE Deshaun Watson. There's no one else. They feature a RB that was washed up two seasons ago. Brandin Cooks who's what, on his 4th team in 6 seasons? When the Patriots, Rams and Saints decide they don't need you, that says something. Will Fuller who is, IMO, the most over rated WR in the league. He runs fast, big whoop. He has stone hands, he always injured and he doesn't change a defensive game plan unless there's a real #1 on the other side. 30 Year old Randall Cobb, an aging roster with NO DEPTH at all and what quite possibly could be the worst HC in the league. (Yeah we all remember the Romeo Crennel season, don't we?) Give this guy a stable front office, a creative HC and OC, and some legit weapons (you know, the things every successful young QB gets). The tools are all there. It's undeniable. Now get him some help so he can actually develop those tools into success.
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