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philfree · 02-17-2021, 11:33 AM

I don't think any game plan was going to work with 4 backup linemen on the field. And with Mahomes toe he just couldn't do what he normally does and running from three d linemen isn't the same as running from one. I'm going to assume Mahomes had input with the game plan as well so I'm not blaming Andy for anything. We were screwed going in and they knew it.

Red Dawg · 02-17-2021, 11:44 AM

They are arrogant assholes but he isn't wrong. It was clear to everyone in America after the first quarter we had a serious OL problem but Andy did nothing to neutralize the pass rush at all. He left a bunch of nobodies that were overmatched out to dry including Mahomes. Should have gotten the backs involved for protection and screens and shortend up the pass routes. He did nothing and Mahomes ran for his ****ing life the whole game.

Chiefspants · 02-17-2021, 11:46 AM

Andy got his *** handed to him. He admitted as much after the game.

To be honest the gameplan wasn’t radically different than it was against SF’s line. We didn’t give Fish that much help against Bosa but it worked out because Bosa got gassed and Mahomes evaded what maaay have been a game-altering sack late in the 4th. Having the ball for 70 plays and calling a significant amount of horizontal runs seemed to play into that.

I have zero idea why we didn’t see Andy at least try to vary things up. Yes, Kelce was getting wide open in the first half (that had to be frustrating for Andy to see) but it’s not going to matter when Mahomes is constantly running for his life.

Chiefspants · 02-17-2021, 12:17 PM

Or you know, Andy was dealing with the fact his son may have murdered a five year old with a pending investigation about how he got the car and perhaps internal reviews of workplace drinking in the facility.

But sure, it’s more likely the NFL would want to risk a long term injury to their most profitable star by letting him get brutalized for an hour long game.

Shine on, BlackOp.

BlackOp · 02-17-2021, 12:32 PM

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Or you know, Andy was dealing with the fact his son may have murdered a five year old with a pending investigation about how he got the car and perhaps internal reviews of workplace drinking in the facility.

But sure, it’s more likely the NFL would want to risk a long term injury to their most profitable star by letting him get brutalized for an hour long game.

Shine on, BlackOp.

That situation happened well after the offensive game plan was already in place...

If you want to blame it Britt...go ahead. There is an army of coaches on the Chiefs that Britt isn't related to. He was an assistant defensive coach...not Vince Lombardi.

If you think professional NFL coaches cant compartmentalize...well, I dont know what to tell you. You really think Reid was thinking about his son when the game was happening? Nope...not in a million years. It's not like he died...

There is a reason the NFL props up Brady...and it has nothing to do with football.

Let's just say they find him "useful"....

ThyKingdomCome15 · 02-17-2021, 12:27 PM

Reid coached a car wreck of a game. It was easily one of his worsted. Bucs were fooled by nothing. White was right about that.

It's interesting to see the Bucs feeling a bit raw about the comments to the Chiefs injuries and overall uncharacteristically poor play and coaching. Feels like the little brother is having his moment.

Sassy Squatch · 02-17-2021, 12:31 PM

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Reid coached a car wreck of a game.

ThyKingdomCome15 · 02-17-2021, 03:21 PM

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Point taken

prhom · 02-17-2021, 12:37 PM

Maybe this has been mentioned, but I don’t recall seeing Mahomes and Reid together on the bench once. Usually we will see them sitting down discussing things, especially when it’s not going well. Possible that I either missed it or the cameras didn’t catch it, but it seemed odd and concerned me. Then it became clear that we weren’t going to do anything different and no adjustments were coming. Not an excuse, but the Britt situation seemed to factor in, even if no one acknowledged it or wants to admit it.

Devin White may be a punk, but he’s a super bowl champ and the Chiefs lost their opportunity to prevent him from running his mouth. It’s just like anything else, history is written by the victors.

MahomesMagic · 02-17-2021, 12:39 PM

I was fine with Reid just using 5 man line and chips to start but he should have moved to max protect pretty quickly once he saw what was going on.

The longer developing routes also made no sense.

wachashi · 02-17-2021, 12:40 PM

I don't think there was a whole lot the Chiefs could have done differently adjustment-wise. I know lots of talking heads believe differently, but that's not what I saw watching the game.

The Bucs knew they could essentially get immediate pressure rushing four. They schemed their defensive approach around that basic fact. Chiefs could have played better. The receivers dropped balls they should have caught. Mahomes could have thrown a shorter, easier pass in place of the deep shot on some plays.

But when a four-man rush gets instant pressure consistently, and the opposing DBs and LBs know that, it's going to be tough sledding no matter what.

BlackOp · 02-17-2021, 12:49 PM

Ask yourself...how many "car wreck" offensive games plans has Reid devised off a bye? This one was for a SB...

It didn't even look like the same team...this is a top 10 all-time, HOF HC...and, supposedly, an offensive-minded genius.

Chiefs should give up 3 entire drafts to get the top LT...obviously its a 25 point difference in Mahomes post-season average of 34.

Who knew that the Chiefs offensive prowess hinged solely on the above-average play of Eric Fisher...*belch*

Coochie liquor · 02-17-2021, 01:21 PM

The team was just not the same as we’ve seen them for 3 seasons. Didn’t hardly see the players interacting, didn’t see Mahomes and Kelce rallying the guys. Britt Reid ****ed us, and that’s not the worst. He almost killed a kid too.

BlackOp · 02-17-2021, 01:28 PM

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The team was just not the same as we’ve seen them for 3 seasons. Didn’t hardly see the players interacting, didn’t see Mahomes and Kelce rallying the guys. Britt Reid ****ed us, and that’s not the worst. He almost killed a kid too.

Or they knew the fix was in...

Reid's timeouts before half were the tell-tale...nobody does that...especially against Brady. Did they not watch the Packers game? Had they not realized how the officials were calling every ticky-tack instance against the Chiefs?

I knew it was coming..and said so before the PI call.

I've watched football for 40+ years and had never seen that before....they were getting the ball back after half-time anyway.

You can blame Britt if it makes you feel better...but those time outs had nothing to do with it.

02-17-2021, 11:33 AM	#2
philfree Indian Twitter philfree's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency	I don't think any game plan was going to work with 4 backup linemen on the field. And with Mahomes toe he just couldn't do what he normally does and running from three d linemen isn't the same as running from one. I'm going to assume Mahomes had input with the game plan as well so I'm not blaming Andy for anything. We were screwed going in and they knew it.
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Red Dawg Going home eventually Red Dawg's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2002	They are arrogant assholes but he isn't wrong. It was clear to everyone in America after the first quarter we had a serious OL problem but Andy did nothing to neutralize the pass rush at all. He left a bunch of nobodies that were overmatched out to dry including Mahomes. Should have gotten the backs involved for protection and screens and shortend up the pass routes. He did nothing and Mahomes ran for his ****ing life the whole game.
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02-17-2021, 11:46 AM	#4
Chiefspants World's Best Boss Chiefspants's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bronco Country	Andy got his *** handed to him. He admitted as much after the game. To be honest the gameplan wasn’t radically different than it was against SF’s line. We didn’t give Fish that much help against Bosa but it worked out because Bosa got gassed and Mahomes evaded what maaay have been a game-altering sack late in the 4th. Having the ball for 70 plays and calling a significant amount of horizontal runs seemed to play into that. I have zero idea why we didn’t see Andy at least try to vary things up. Yes, Kelce was getting wide open in the first half (that had to be frustrating for Andy to see) but it’s not going to matter when Mahomes is constantly running for his life.
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Chiefspants World's Best Boss Chiefspants's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bronco Country	Or you know, Andy was dealing with the fact his son may have murdered a five year old with a pending investigation about how he got the car and perhaps internal reviews of workplace drinking in the facility. But sure, it’s more likely the NFL would want to risk a long term injury to their most profitable star by letting him get brutalized for an hour long game. Shine on, BlackOp.
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02-17-2021, 12:27 PM	#7
ThyKingdomCome15 MVP ThyKingdomCome15's Avatar Join Date: Jun 2019	Reid coached a car wreck of a game. It was easily one of his worsted. Bucs were fooled by nothing. White was right about that. It's interesting to see the Bucs feeling a bit raw about the comments to the Chiefs injuries and overall uncharacteristically poor play and coaching. Feels like the little brother is having his moment.
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02-17-2021, 12:37 PM	#10
prhom Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Denver	Maybe this has been mentioned, but I don’t recall seeing Mahomes and Reid together on the bench once. Usually we will see them sitting down discussing things, especially when it’s not going well. Possible that I either missed it or the cameras didn’t catch it, but it seemed odd and concerned me. Then it became clear that we weren’t going to do anything different and no adjustments were coming. Not an excuse, but the Britt situation seemed to factor in, even if no one acknowledged it or wants to admit it. Devin White may be a punk, but he’s a super bowl champ and the Chiefs lost their opportunity to prevent him from running his mouth. It’s just like anything else, history is written by the victors.
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02-17-2021, 12:39 PM	#11
MahomesMagic Generational Player MahomesMagic's Avatar Join Date: May 2017 Location: Honolulu	I was fine with Reid just using 5 man line and chips to start but he should have moved to max protect pretty quickly once he saw what was going on. The longer developing routes also made no sense.
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02-17-2021, 12:40 PM	#12
wachashi Veteran wachashi's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2019	I don't think there was a whole lot the Chiefs could have done differently adjustment-wise. I know lots of talking heads believe differently, but that's not what I saw watching the game. The Bucs knew they could essentially get immediate pressure rushing four. They schemed their defensive approach around that basic fact. Chiefs could have played better. The receivers dropped balls they should have caught. Mahomes could have thrown a shorter, easier pass in place of the deep shot on some plays. But when a four-man rush gets instant pressure consistently, and the opposing DBs and LBs know that, it's going to be tough sledding no matter what.
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02-17-2021, 12:49 PM	#13
BlackOp MVP BlackOp's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2012	Ask yourself...how many "car wreck" offensive games plans has Reid devised off a bye? This one was for a SB... It didn't even look like the same team...this is a top 10 all-time, HOF HC...and, supposedly, an offensive-minded genius. Chiefs should give up 3 entire drafts to get the top LT...obviously its a 25 point difference in Mahomes post-season average of 34. Who knew that the Chiefs offensive prowess hinged solely on the above-average play of Eric Fisher...belch Last edited by BlackOp; 02-17-2021 at 12:58 PM..
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02-17-2021, 01:21 PM	#14
Coochie liquor Bolton gonna knock you out Coochie liquor's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Free Vybz Kartel	The team was just not the same as we’ve seen them for 3 seasons. Didn’t hardly see the players interacting, didn’t see Mahomes and Kelce rallying the guys. Britt Reid ****ed us, and that’s not the worst. He almost killed a kid too.
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