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Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay on the Outs?
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07-28-2021, 08:11 AM | #1981 |
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I’ve said that QB makes a difference, but to say that a guy that hasn’t even hit 700 yards and has 6 TD’s total in two seasons is 1,000 yard 10 TD guy with better QB play is the very definition of projection, and it’s a pretty bold one.
I’m not saying the better QB play wouldn’t make a difference at all, I’m saying it wouldn’t necessarily make THAT much of a difference. You’re talking about a difference of 400 yards and 7 TD’s. Almost doubling his production That is quite the projection. Last edited by staylor26; 07-28-2021 at 08:38 AM.. |
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07-28-2021, 09:32 AM | #1982 | |
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Fant's second season, they lose Sutton and he's playing with a bunch of other rookie and 2nd year receivers. His targets and receptions increased nicely, but his YPC dropped severely. The OL has improved each year (that helps) and with Sutton back and guys like Jeudy, Hamler and Patrick have actual experience (that helps), not to forget the addition of Williams at RB with Gordon. I think he'll be much better than Lindsay. And, I liked Lindsay... but, I believe Williams is much better. Will Fant double his production? Maybe not, but I expect the targets and receptions to increase and believe he can be an 80 catch receiver with 900-1,000 yards and 5-8 TDs. It's all on the QBs this year.. Lock or Teddy have this year to prove either of them is worth investing in beyond 2021. The receivers and backs are a talented group. |
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07-28-2021, 09:34 AM | #1983 |
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Again, I’m not saying he isn’t capable, but as I’ve said from the beginning it’s still a bit of a projection with him.
He’s a good TE, but putting him in that tier 1/2 group today is absolutely a projection. |
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07-28-2021, 09:41 AM | #1984 | |
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The rest at this point are a gaggle of upside. Hockenson hasn't proven to be any better than Fant... only has 2 more TDs in 2 years, all else is fairly equal. Tonyan scored a lot of short TDs last year, but is actually less of a factor in the passing game thanks to all the other options. So, who really knows about him - was 2020 a fluke? It was the best he had done in 4 seasons after doing nothing the first 3. Goedert has been consistent, but he's a bit player and knows his role - plays it well. Elite? No. There are anywhere from 5 (conservative side) to 12 other TEs in that tier 2/3 that you could waste a lot of energy debating their place in the pecking order right now. |
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07-28-2021, 09:48 AM | #1985 |
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Hock was legitimately a top 5 TE last year, and that’s with Bevell calling plays and his offense. Bevell doesn’t really value the position, and it was pretty obvious that Hock wasn’t maxed out because of it.
I’m telling you guys, Hock should’ve had 900 yards and 8-10 TD’s last year. He made a huge jump from year 1 to year 2. I guess there’s a bit of a projection there as well, but he was significantly better than Fant and those guys in tier 3, which is why I put him with Andrews in tier 2. He’s a former top 10 pick, and was top 5 at his position last year. It’s not quite the projection these guys are making with Fant, who I’ve also said could easily enter that tier 2 group as early as this year. |
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07-28-2021, 10:12 AM | #1986 | ||
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15 / 93 targets / 62 rec / 673 yards / 10.9 YPC / 3 TD I guess we differ on what significantly means. Sure, 6 is 2X 3... but other than that, very equal. Hock had 5 of his 6 TDs prior to week 9 and then only 1 the rest of the way. Fant had 2 in the first two games and only 1 the rest of the way. Neither guy was a consistent producer really. I just don't see how you could reasonably say Hock was on track to being a monster without as much projection as those that speak well of Fant's upside. |
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07-28-2021, 10:18 AM | #1987 | |
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And again, this also goes back to their days at Iowa. Hock has just always been better IMO. |
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07-28-2021, 12:59 PM | #1988 |
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Rodgers and Davante Adams both laid into the Packers' front office today in their first training camp interviews. It was absolutely awesome.
Everyone thought Rodgers would just play coy like usual but he knows he's done after this year and just unloaded. The Packers organization has a lot of egg on it's face right now after their two best players just called them out. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of men. They are all frauds, especially Mark Murphy. |
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07-28-2021, 01:01 PM | #1989 |
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Just listened to his presser. Damn he does not give a **** and is trashing these guys
Who can blame him? He knows he’s gone after this year |
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07-28-2021, 07:05 PM | #1990 |
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Not only that, but how many different OC’s has he already been playing under? Hard to have consistency when your OC, or HC are being switched out every other year?
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07-28-2021, 07:11 PM | #1991 | |
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Instead of focusing on the coming season and a legit Super Bowl run- he airs out his dirty laundry and shits on the people paying his salary. Conduct detrimental to the team deserves to be fined- if they had the balls. Glad we don't have to worry about facing them in the Super Bowl. |
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07-29-2021, 03:01 AM | #1992 | |
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07-29-2021, 03:05 AM | #1993 |
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Rodgers wasn't bitter until Mahomes came along.
All jokes aside, Green Bay is ran by clowns. After being spoiled to how the Chiefs are ran, the class of the NFL, I side with Rodgers. They've wasted much of his career and he's sick of it. Last edited by ThyKingdomCome15; 07-29-2021 at 03:15 AM.. |
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07-29-2021, 04:43 AM | #1994 |
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Was he right in everything he said? Yes. But he’s always been a prima Donna bitch. It’d be hilarious if the team benched him this year and tanked for a top pick. Then trade him and get more draft picks. Instant rebuild without spending 2-3 years rebuilding
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07-29-2021, 05:02 AM | #1995 |
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The person responsible for wasting Aaron Rodgers career is Aaron Rodgers.
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