Part of Oklahoma (kind of) secedes from the United States

[Rain Man]

The Supreme Court ruled today that a big chunk of Oklahoma is actually a Native American reservation, including most of Tulsa. Apparently this impacts what laws apply, so state law may not exist in Tulsa any more.

Link below. Apparently the Muscogee Indians argued that their reservation was never officially taken away when Oklahoma became a state. The government believed that statehood rendered the reservation moot, but the Supreme Court disagrees. So as of today we now have an enormous reservation that apparently controls Tulsa, and I bet they buy Dan Snyder's team once they kill off all of the illegal settlers and take their stuff.

I wonder about the other Indian lands now. It seems like other Indian tribes can make the same argument.

https://theturtleislandnews.com/inde...l-reservation/

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by Fish

Let's invade!

Usually you want to invade somewhere that has something of value.


I don't think Big Splash is worth the effort

[Chiefspants]

WOW

[lcarus]

Seems most people here are part of some tribe anyway. Everyone has a Cherokee or Muscogee license plate.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Usually you want to invade somewhere that has something of value.


I don't think Big Splash is worth the effort

What about the Blue Whale of Catoosa? THINK ABOUT THE BLUE WHALE FOR GOD'S SAKE!

[KCUnited]

I casino problem with this

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

I casino problem with this

This was my first thought; Tulsa is going to become the new Vegas.

[ralittleus]

Growing Weed

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Usually you want to invade somewhere that has something of value.


I don't think Big Splash is worth the effort

Boeing Aerospace, Pratt & Whitney, Lockheed Martin Aircraft, Northrop Grumman, General Electric Aviation and AAR Aircraft Services all have major operations in OK. Most of those (possibly all) produce military aircraft/parts/engines in OK.

Oklahoma was the fourth-largest crude oil producer among the states in 2019, and it accounted for nearly 5% of the nation's crude oil production.
As of January 2019, Oklahoma had 5 operable petroleum refineries with a combined daily processing capacity of almost 523,000 barrels per day, nearly 3% of the total U.S. capacity.

Oklahoma had the fourth-largest gross withdrawals of natural gas among the states in 2019 and accounted for about 9% of the nation's marketed production.

The benchmark price in the domestic spot market for the U.S. crude oil known as West Texas Intermediate (WTI) is set at Cushing, Oklahoma, home to about 15% of the nation’s commercial crude oil storage capacity.

In 2019, Oklahoma ranked second after Texas in total electricity net generation from wind and was third in wind's share of state generation after Iowa and Kansas. Wind supplied nearly 35% of Oklahoma's net generation, more than any other source.

Guessing water parks won't be among the top 100 reasons the U.S. won't just give up OK to the Muscogees, SCOTUS ruling or not.

[frozenchief]

From what I can see just skimming the opinion:

1. The state of Oklahoma still exists;
2. Part of Oklahoma is Indian land, which was not abolished by the creation of the state of Oklahoma
3. One effect of Indian land is that the State of Oklahoma does not have jurisdiction to try enrolled tribal members for crimes that occur on Indian land. This means that prosecution for such persons on such land will have to either be in tribal or federal courts

The decision seems to recognize that there is a 'reservation in fact' in Oklahoma without discussing any potential impacts this will have outside of the impact on Major Crimes Act on Indian Land.

The Oklahoma AG issued a joint statement with several tribes that they are working on a resolution to present to Congress to resolve this issue. My guess is that after the initial argument on this issue, Oklahoma could see the writing on the wall and started negotiating with the tribes. Announcement is here:

http://www.oag.ok.gov/state-muscogee...in-mcgirt-case

[ForeverChiefs58]

Imagine if we didn’t let the losers of a war dictate anything

[bdj23]

Tulsa is an awful place.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by BDj23

Tulsa is an awful place.

They have a cool riverfront. Outside of that, the best thing to do there is leave.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58

Imagine if we didn’t let the losers of a war dictate anything

We didn't. This was the worst land possible we could have given Native Americans and forced them to take it. We then decided to ignore those "treaties" and take the land back anyway. We're fighting against the dictations of U.S. policymakers of the 1800's here.

[alnorth]

yeah, Oklahoma and Congress needs to negotiate a settlement with the Tribes, because their next move is to stop paying income and sales taxes. On the tribal side of the table though, they probably still need state services and help to maintain infrastructure, so a deal ought to be possible.

[big nasty kcnut]

I guess someone needs to rescue me then.