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staylor26 · 02-19-2023, 04:36 PM

Watched with my son today.

It wasn't bad, just mediocre, like everything since Endgame aside from No Way Home and the Loki show.

I just have no excitement for the MCU at this point.

Kang was dope, but

Spoiler!

Direckshun · 02-22-2023, 12:25 PM

I really enjoyed it, but I've long accepted some of the problems Marvel deals with.

Spoiler!

One of the "problems" is that it features big fights at the end, and I don't really care. I would like them to change it up but I don't mind it if the story is solid. The fact that Kang was totally jobbed at the end by ants, I completely sympathize with that criticism but I don't mind it a ton because the stakes in this movie felt smaller to me. I really don't like some of the critiques of the movie. (Why did MODOK turn on Kang because Cassie called him a dick?! Because it was amusing.)

There are a couple problems I have that are less forgivaable. Marvel absolutely has to fix their CGI problem. I don't need the CGI to be perfect -- it wasn't perfect in Ragnarok or in Guardians 1 or 2.

But I need the CGI to stop actively distracting from the plot. She-Hulk was a fun, breezy story on paper, but in execution it is a hot mess because the main character is ghastly to look at (not a criticism of her appearance, but of the CGI delivery of the character). "Multiverse of Madness" and "Quantumania" takes place on green screens which are nicely realized but it is obvious as day that the characters are on a stage. At no point was it remotely close to looking like they were in an actual environment. I'll forgive MODOK, because that character was a joke through and through, but Dr. Strange's third eye? Why can they not make that look convincing? Dr. Strange was wearing the worst wig of all time anyway in that movie.

I've also seen movies my entire life and I understand main characters (and usually villains) are harder to kill than plot fodder, but this can only be stretched so far. Kang cannot vaporize a crowd easily but fail to take out a single member of the Ant crew. This is probably the biggest problem with having every movie serve a cinematic universe: Scott Lang would have pulled out of the Avengers after he cleared his name in Ant Man, and the Wasp would have taken over -- she's better at everything anyway. Cassie is needed for what is likely to be the young avengers, so she can't be killed. But not even unarmed 70 year olds in Hank or Janet can be allowed to die.

Anyway, maybe I'll run through one of these criticism videos and air out all the things I think are fair and unfair criticisms. But these issues are big Achilles heels on this movie.

Sure-Oz · 02-22-2023, 06:47 PM

Haven't seen it yet. I may try a matinee soon. Listening to John Campea a movie guy I like he definitely think marvel has lost its magic lately. We always got banger after banger for a long period of time. Now we just hope it's really good to great. Hopefully GOTG is a banger and they slow it down some. Seems like way too much, too fast came out the last few years.

Mephistopheles Janx · 02-23-2023, 11:44 AM

Just watched it last night and I can confirm... it was indeed a movie. I don't have any massive complaints other than the green screen was really good sometimes and really bad at others. I don't really have anything positive to say about the movie either other than Paul Rudd is great and I'm willing to watch him in pretty much anything.

Wallcrawler · 02-23-2023, 02:16 PM

Overboard hate for the movie.

It's Ant Man. I'm not sure what folks are expecting. It's easily as good as the first, and better than the second.

People crying over Kang need to understand that it's one variant of Kang, not the Kang that will eventually be the big bad.

It's a movie based on a comic book series. Some pretty outrageous shit is gonna be in there. Teenage geniuses are not a rare thing with Marvel, so Cassie building the transmitter being complained over is pretty funny.

I took my kids to see it. Had a good time with it just watching it instead of looking for shit to bitch about.

I think I saw that Wasps hairstyle was even a point of contention lol.

I think dunking on Marvel has just become so commonplace now, people just wait for the next movie to have a fresh bitch session.

I went in expecting a dumpster fire, and it was quite the opposite.

Wallcrawler · 02-23-2023, 02:17 PM

Overboard hate for the movie.

It's Ant Man. I'm not sure what folks are expecting. It's easily as good as the first, and better than the second.

People crying over Kang need to understand that it's one variant of Kang, not the Kang that will eventually be the big bad.

It's a movie based on a comic book series. Some pretty outrageous shit is gonna be in there. Teenage geniuses are not a rare thing with Marvel, so Cassie building the transmitter being complained over is pretty funny.

I took my kids to see it. Had a good time with it just watching it instead of looking for shit to bitch about.

I think I saw that Wasps hairstyle was even a point of contention lol.

I think dunking on Marvel has just become so commonplace now, people just wait for the next movie to have a fresh bitch session.

I went in expecting a dumpster fire, and it was quite the opposite.

lawrenceRaider · 02-23-2023, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Overboard hate for the movie.

It's Ant Man. I'm not sure what folks are expecting. It's easily as good as the first, and better than the second.

People crying over Kang need to understand that it's one variant of Kang, not the Kang that will eventually be the big bad.

It's a movie based on a comic book series. Some pretty outrageous shit is gonna be in there. Teenage geniuses are not a rare thing with Marvel, so Cassie building the transmitter being complained over is pretty funny.

I took my kids to see it. Had a good time with it just watching it instead of looking for shit to bitch about.

I think I saw that Wasps hairstyle was even a point of contention lol.

I think dunking on Marvel has just become so commonplace now, people just wait for the next movie to have a fresh bitch session.

I went in expecting a dumpster fire, and it was quite the opposite.

I like hearing this.

I'll watch it when it lands on Disney plus.

Sassy Squatch · 02-23-2023, 04:15 PM

TBF, I think the Wasps hairstyle is more of a meme as to why Marvel insists on having Evangeline Lily have such weird hairstyles.

BigBeauford · 02-25-2023, 10:04 AM

Rumors of an 80% drop 2nd weekend would be a bomb.

Vladimir_Kyrilytch · 02-25-2023, 12:54 PM

I don't usually watch ant-based movies but I'm hearing amazing things about this film. The dialogue is being called possibly the best ever brought to the silver screen. Can't wait to see this!

Just Passin' By · 02-25-2023, 01:16 PM

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A Marvel movie is losing gravity in its second weekend atop the box office, with Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania clocking the worst second frame drop ever for an MCU title at -70% to -72%. That’s while two lower-budgeted releases outstrip their projections...

...Those tepid audience exits and B CinemaScore are certainly impacting Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. The second weekend drop here for Ant-Man 3 beats that of Ang Lee’s Hulk (-69.7%), Black Widow (-67.8% which was schackled by a theatrical day-and-date release) and Thor: Love and Thunder‘s -67.7%). The movie is expected to do $30M-$32M this weekend. One could say, ‘Hey, Marvel, gotta make ’em better’, but this Ant-Man threequel saw the best opening ever, and the severe plummet here indicates front-loaded business. That said, there’s no want-to-see for repeat viewing...

‘Quantumania’ Worst Drop For A Marvel Movie, ‘Cocaine Bear’ Very High On $21M & ‘Jesus Revolution’ Praises $14M+ – Saturday Box Office

DCTwister · 02-25-2023, 02:50 PM

My teenage son went to see Antman last night. I’d say we are reasonably big fans of the MCU. He said it was nearly unwatchable. CGI was on the level of the Phantom Menace (and that is meant as a very serious insult as you might guess).

I’ll keep my money and watch it for free on Disney+ in a few months.

WhawhaWhat · 02-25-2023, 03:10 PM

I thought it was a good movie. Not great or anything but easily watchable. Kang was a good villain. MODOK was pretty funny.

Jonathan Majors as Kang was great. I had never heard of that guy until I watched The Harder They Fall on Netflix, which I really liked and he was also great in, but now he's in this movie and Creed 3 next week. He's got a good career going now.

mkp785 · 03-01-2023, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravedigger

The first half I was bored. Then Kang comes in and the second half of the movie I was entertained. It’s just a weird movie, but overall it was good.

Spoiler!

This.

That's how I thought the movie was gonna end to be honest. Would've been better. Movie was still pretty good and Majors was a great villian. He sold it well and seemed extremely powerful.

Which makes the ending.... alittle far fetched not to ruin spoilers. Ruined the whole thing for me...even more so the XT part...dumbness

BWillie · 03-07-2023, 05:47 PM

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02-19-2023, 04:36 PM	#61
staylor26 In Search of a Life staylor26's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2007	Watched with my son today. It wasn't bad, just mediocre, like everything since Endgame aside from No Way Home and the Loki show. I just have no excitement for the MCU at this point. Kang was dope, but Spoiler! the council or whatever in the post credits scene was very cringe. Not feeling those versions.
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02-22-2023, 12:25 PM	#62
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch	I really enjoyed it, but I've long accepted some of the problems Marvel deals with. Spoiler! One of the "problems" is that it features big fights at the end, and I don't really care. I would like them to change it up but I don't mind it if the story is solid. The fact that Kang was totally jobbed at the end by ants, I completely sympathize with that criticism but I don't mind it a ton because the stakes in this movie felt smaller to me. I really don't like some of the critiques of the movie. (Why did MODOK turn on Kang because Cassie called him a dick?! Because it was amusing.) There are a couple problems I have that are less forgivaable. Marvel absolutely has to fix their CGI problem. I don't need the CGI to be perfect -- it wasn't perfect in Ragnarok or in Guardians 1 or 2. But I need the CGI to stop actively distracting from the plot. She-Hulk was a fun, breezy story on paper, but in execution it is a hot mess because the main character is ghastly to look at (not a criticism of her appearance, but of the CGI delivery of the character). "Multiverse of Madness" and "Quantumania" takes place on green screens which are nicely realized but it is obvious as day that the characters are on a stage. At no point was it remotely close to looking like they were in an actual environment. I'll forgive MODOK, because that character was a joke through and through, but Dr. Strange's third eye? Why can they not make that look convincing? Dr. Strange was wearing the worst wig of all time anyway in that movie. I've also seen movies my entire life and I understand main characters (and usually villains) are harder to kill than plot fodder, but this can only be stretched so far. Kang cannot vaporize a crowd easily but fail to take out a single member of the Ant crew. This is probably the biggest problem with having every movie serve a cinematic universe: Scott Lang would have pulled out of the Avengers after he cleared his name in Ant Man, and the Wasp would have taken over -- she's better at everything anyway. Cassie is needed for what is likely to be the young avengers, so she can't be killed. But not even unarmed 70 year olds in Hank or Janet can be allowed to die. Anyway, maybe I'll run through one of these criticism videos and air out all the things I think are fair and unfair criticisms. But these issues are big Achilles heels on this movie.
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02-22-2023, 06:47 PM	#63
Sure-Oz Stay positive, don't give up Sure-Oz's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2001	Haven't seen it yet. I may try a matinee soon. Listening to John Campea a movie guy I like he definitely think marvel has lost its magic lately. We always got banger after banger for a long period of time. Now we just hope it's really good to great. Hopefully GOTG is a banger and they slow it down some. Seems like way too much, too fast came out the last few years.
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02-23-2023, 11:44 AM	#64
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02-23-2023, 02:16 PM	#65
Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Wallcrawler's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US.	Overboard hate for the movie. It's Ant Man. I'm not sure what folks are expecting. It's easily as good as the first, and better than the second. People crying over Kang need to understand that it's one variant of Kang, not the Kang that will eventually be the big bad. It's a movie based on a comic book series. Some pretty outrageous shit is gonna be in there. Teenage geniuses are not a rare thing with Marvel, so Cassie building the transmitter being complained over is pretty funny. I took my kids to see it. Had a good time with it just watching it instead of looking for shit to bitch about. I think I saw that Wasps hairstyle was even a point of contention lol. I think dunking on Marvel has just become so commonplace now, people just wait for the next movie to have a fresh bitch session. I went in expecting a dumpster fire, and it was quite the opposite.
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02-23-2023, 02:17 PM	#66
Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Wallcrawler's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US.	Overboard hate for the movie. It's Ant Man. I'm not sure what folks are expecting. It's easily as good as the first, and better than the second. People crying over Kang need to understand that it's one variant of Kang, not the Kang that will eventually be the big bad. It's a movie based on a comic book series. Some pretty outrageous shit is gonna be in there. Teenage geniuses are not a rare thing with Marvel, so Cassie building the transmitter being complained over is pretty funny. I took my kids to see it. Had a good time with it just watching it instead of looking for shit to bitch about. I think I saw that Wasps hairstyle was even a point of contention lol. I think dunking on Marvel has just become so commonplace now, people just wait for the next movie to have a fresh bitch session. I went in expecting a dumpster fire, and it was quite the opposite.
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02-23-2023, 04:15 PM	#68
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02-25-2023, 10:04 AM	#69
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02-25-2023, 12:54 PM	#70
Vladimir_Kyrilytch Veteran Vladimir_Kyrilytch's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2021	I don't usually watch ant-based movies but I'm hearing amazing things about this film. The dialogue is being called possibly the best ever brought to the silver screen. Can't wait to see this!
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02-25-2023, 02:50 PM	#72
DCTwister Starter Join Date: Oct 2017	My teenage son went to see Antman last night. I’d say we are reasonably big fans of the MCU. He said it was nearly unwatchable. CGI was on the level of the Phantom Menace (and that is meant as a very serious insult as you might guess). I’ll keep my money and watch it for free on Disney+ in a few months.
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02-25-2023, 03:10 PM	#73
WhawhaWhat MVP Join Date: Feb 2013	I thought it was a good movie. Not great or anything but easily watchable. Kang was a good villain. MODOK was pretty funny. Jonathan Majors as Kang was great. I had never heard of that guy until I watched The Harder They Fall on Netflix, which I really liked and he was also great in, but now he's in this movie and Creed 3 next week. He's got a good career going now.
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