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Old 11-29-2017, 04:11 PM   #2
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College teams looking for the next Pete Carroll or Jim Harbaugh, in terms of the NFL to college football coaching success story but more often than not they end up with Lovie Smith, Charlie Weis, Jim Mora, Jr., Chan Gailey, Al Groh, Mike Sherman failures.

Herm hasn't coached in college football in any capacity since the late 1980's (at San Jose State as a defensive backs coach).

Seems like a disaster in waiting IMO.

Arizona State should target Kevin Sumlin.
Considering most of those guys are system guys, I think this is pretty different. I would think he's smart enough to know the Tampa 2 is dead but who knows. But more than anything, it's about expectations. Anyone who thought lovie or chan would excel in college is a moron. I certainly think as long as he somewhat modernizes the scheme the team could easily be an above .500 bowl contender. But yeah, of course if the expectation is to be a consistent top 10 or 20 team, that's totally unrealistic.
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Old 11-30-2017, 08:45 AM   #3
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Considering most of those guys are system guys, I think this is pretty different. I would think he's smart enough to know the Tampa 2 is dead but who knows. But more than anything, it's about expectations. Anyone who thought lovie or chan would excel in college is a moron. I certainly think as long as he somewhat modernizes the scheme the team could easily be an above .500 bowl contender. But yeah, of course if the expectation is to be a consistent top 10 or 20 team, that's totally unrealistic.
It is more than just X's and O's and scheme.

Herm hasn't been involved in the world of college football recruiting in 30 years and that was at a small level school.

If Herm builds a strong coaching staff and he serves as more of a CEO type HC I could maybe see this work, but considering Kevin Sumlin was there for the taking... a proven winner at the collegiate level, a good recruiter and an innovative offensive mind, I don't know why Arizona State felt the need to hire Herm.
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Old 11-30-2017, 08:51 AM   #4
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If Herm builds a strong coaching staff and he serves as more of a CEO type HC I could maybe see this work
I think Herm would be a great closer for recruiting.
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Old 11-30-2017, 08:56 AM   #5
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Poor Zona, wow.
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Old 11-30-2017, 09:21 AM   #6
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Poor Zona State, wow.
Fixed that for you. We who pull more for the University of Arizona are quite pleased with this hire.
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Old 11-30-2017, 05:33 PM   #7
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Poor Zona, wow.
I don't have much of a bone in this fight but please ...It's ASU...
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