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Old 11-14-2021, 10:26 PM   Topic Starter
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Post here if you were an idiot who thought we needed to run the ball more.
Particularly if you believed it needed to be done out of power formations

No, the Chiefs needed to execute the passing game. And they finally did. They fought their way out of it.

And now we are going to skull**** everyone with our goddamn elite QB.
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:34 PM   #2
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I hate to break it to you but we rushed 23 times tonight and some of those short quick hit passes to the WR and the RB are effectively an outside run. Those are the plays we have been neglecting that open up the passing game. Not everything can be a vertical pass. You have to take the underneath stuff including running the ball and screens/swing passes.

Those were lacking over the last few weeks - almost like we forgot we had them.
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:39 PM   #3
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I hate to break it to you but we rushed 23 times tonight
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:39 PM   #4
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I hate to break it to you but we rushed 23 times tonight and some of those short quick hit passes to the WR and the RB are effectively an outside run. Those are the plays we have been neglecting that open up the passing game. Not everything can be a vertical pass. You have to take the underneath stuff including running the ball and screens/swing passes.

Those were lacking over the last few weeks - almost like we forgot we had them.
Patrick seemed in sync more when he was taking those underneath options too. It was like his timing had been off on that for weeks. Today it seemed smooth.
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:56 PM   #5
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I hate to break it to you but we rushed 23 times tonight and some of those short quick hit passes to the WR and the RB are effectively an outside run. Those are the plays we have been neglecting that open up the passing game. Not everything can be a vertical pass. You have to take the underneath stuff including running the ball and screens/swing passes.

Those were lacking over the last few weeks - almost like we forgot we had them.
Mike Leach says that screens and passes to the backs in the flat are just long handoffs.
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Old 11-14-2021, 11:02 PM   #6
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I hate to break it to you but we rushed 23 times tonight and some of those short quick hit passes to the WR and the RB are effectively an outside run. Those are the plays we have been neglecting that open up the passing game. Not everything can be a vertical pass. You have to take the underneath stuff including running the ball and screens/swing passes.

Those were lacking over the last few weeks - almost like we forgot we had them.
This take > your thread
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Old 11-15-2021, 09:16 AM   #7
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I hate to break it to you but we rushed 23 times tonight and some of those short quick hit passes to the WR and the RB are effectively an outside run. Those are the plays we have been neglecting that open up the passing game. Not everything can be a vertical pass. You have to take the underneath stuff including running the ball and screens/swing passes.

Those were lacking over the last few weeks - almost like we forgot we had them.
It had become pretty mind boggling that some of those plays aren't a weekly thing as long as the defense is giving them.... especially Kelce coming off blocks and letting him do his thing for yards. It's one of those things that seem to work for every team in the league, but the Chiefs outright ignore it.

In previous weeks that stuff seemed so forced, it was great to see the confidence and rhythm last night, and the team having fun, which of course has been lacking.
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:35 PM   #8
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:36 PM   #9
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The Raiders clearly watched no film. Hill was open all day. Kelce was open all day. Receivers were getting behind the Raiders secondary. Not sure what their defensive coaches did all week. The recipe for playing against the Chiefs wasn't followed well.
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:53 PM   #10
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2nd Drive 11 plays (Tyreek TD):
P.Mahomes pass short left to Da.Williams pushed ob at KC 23 for 5 yards
D.Gore right guard to KC 28 for 5 yards
P.Mahomes pass short right to Da.Williams to LV 39 for 22 yards
Da.Williams left tackle to LV 11 for 1 yard

3rd Drive 8 plays (FG):
P.Mahomes pass short middle to Da.Williams to KC 32 for 7 yards
Da.Williams up the middle to LV 47 for 21 yards
Da.Williams right tackle to LV 33 for 1 yard
P.Mahomes pass short middle to Da.Williams to LV 22 for -1 yards

4th Drive 11 plays (Tyreek TD)
D.Gore right guard to KC 45 for 3 yards
P.Mahomes pass short left to Da.Williams to LV 7 for 3 yards
Da.Williams up the middle to LV 3 for no gain
Da.Williams right tackle to LV 1 for 2 yards

6th Drive 14 plays (Gray TD)
Da.Williams left tackle to KC 24 for 6 yards
Da.Williams right end to KC 36 for -1 yards
P.Mahomes pass short right to Da.Williams pushed ob at LV 32 for 17 yards J.McKinnon up the middle to LV 19 for 5 yards
Da.Williams left tackle to LV 11 for 1 yard
B.Bell up the middle to LV 8 for 3 yards

7th Drive 9 plays (2nd FG)
Da.Williams left end to KC 45 for 2 yards
Da.Williams up the middle to LV 49 for 6 yards
Da.Williams right tackle to LV 20 for -3 yards
P.Mahomes pass short left to Da.Williams to LV 24 for 3 yards

9th Drive 8 plays (Pringle TD):
D.Gore left tackle to KC 29 for 4 yards
D.Gore left guard to KC 41 for 4 yards
D.Gore up the middle to KC 45 for 4 yards
McKinnon up the middle to LV 22 for 3 yards



Balance....
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Old 11-15-2021, 06:54 AM   #11
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The Raiders clearly watched no film. Hill was open all day. Kelce was open all day. Receivers were getting behind the Raiders secondary. Not sure what their defensive coaches did all week. The recipe for playing against the Chiefs wasn't followed well.
I wonder if certain DCs just simply don't like to run zones. And if a team doesn't practice much zone defense then they certainly aren't going to be good at it. Looked like the raiders may have run a zone early and then gave up on it. Didn't pay a lot of attention to that so I could be wrong.
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Old 11-15-2021, 09:08 AM   #12
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I hate to break it to you but we rushed 23 times tonight and some of those short quick hit passes to the WR and the RB are effectively an outside run. Those are the plays we have been neglecting that open up the passing game. Not everything can be a vertical pass. You have to take the underneath stuff including running the ball and screens/swing passes.

Those were lacking over the last few weeks - almost like we forgot we had them.
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The Raiders clearly watched no film. Hill was open all day. Kelce was open all day. Receivers were getting behind the Raiders secondary. Not sure what their defensive coaches did all week. The recipe for playing against the Chiefs wasn't followed well.
IIRC, the Raiders play the least C2 of any team in the league. Not surprising that the offense "broke out" last night.
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:38 PM   #13
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I love Andy and Pat, but those horizontal runs with Darrel were horrible, every single time.
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They weren’t jamming Kelce at the line. That helped.
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They weren’t jamming Kelce at the line. That helped.
Chiefs were way more creative about how they used him. Getting him out there as a blocker, lining him up as fullback. That seemed more about Andy making the right adjustment.
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