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Direckshun · 02-26-2021, 12:58 PM

The Bucs were probably going to win the Super Bowl no matter what, but we are deluding ourselves if we are creating mock offseasons that don't give Mahomes at least 2 more premium weapons.

We routinely get excellent mock offseasons on this forum, and this week has been no exception, but c'mon.

You need to either give Mahomes a top flight #2 and #3 receiving option, or you need to give him a top flight #2 WR and a top flight #2 TE.

Teams are going to throw all their resources at Kelce and Hill in 2021. You can't snag one really good WR and wipe your hands clean of the problem -- you need multiple tertiary options because someone's going to get injured in or around 2021.

I know there's a ton of needs, but protecting Mahomes and giving him more weapons need to be at the top of the list, and if your mock offseason doesn't, it's not passing the smell test here.

Dante84 · 02-26-2021, 01:10 PM

I do think (hope) Clyde steps up this next season, hopefully with screens and in the pass game. So we'll have 3 legit weapons,

But I agree, we need a stud WR #2 (NOT KELCE), and a capable TE #2 as opposed to a JAG.

I'm okay with Hardman as WR 3 for the time being, so long as we have a clear stud in front of him and young talent to push him from behind.

**The Franchise** · 02-26-2021, 01:32 PM

We need at least an average X receiver, a good slot receiver and a capable #2 TE.

Direckshun · 02-26-2021, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

We need at least an average X receiver, a good slot receiver and a capable #2 TE.

Nooooo, we need a really, really good X, and really good options at at least two of those other spots.

It's not enough to land capable players and expect Mahomes to bail you out. That's how you end up with a Russell Wilson career of 1 SB win and multiple playoff failures.

htismaqe · 02-26-2021, 02:56 PM

I think we need a matchup guy on the inside worse than we need an X. Watching Chris Simms converted me. Although either would be just fine.

And about the TE2, we've needed one ever since Andy arrived and we've never had one. I wouldn't get your hopes up.

MahomesMagic · 02-26-2021, 02:59 PM

Fine. This draft is LOADED at WR's near the top that can play.

Waddle
Chase
Smith will be gone by 15.

So what's next?

Rashod Bateman
Kadarius Toney
Seth Williams

I will also guess that Bateman goes in the 20's before us.

So then you take Toney in the 1st or Seth Williams in a trade back or 2nd round move up.

Toney can play any WR position, inside/outside. This versatility is prized by KC. He can already run routes like an NFL vet so no 2-3 year plan like Hardman.

Seth Williams is a 6'3'', 225 lb Monster. You can't move him he goes where he wants. This would give us an X or traditional possession 1 WR.

Imagine Mahomes having Williams/Kelce just turning around after 7-15 yards over and over with Tyreek Hill still lurking.

Teams would want to give up.

Love Seth Williams!

staylor26 · 02-26-2021, 03:18 PM

I like Williams, but he’s not up there with those guys in anybody’s rankings. We might even be a able to get him in the 3rd.

htismaqe · 02-26-2021, 03:21 PM

I'm back on the Toney train.

He's a guy that could come in a instantly lineup just about anywhere they want him.

MahomesMagic · 02-26-2021, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I like Williams, but he’s not up there with those guys in anybody’s rankings. We might even be a able to get him in the 3rd.

He isn't in the rankings you see, sure.

Neither was Michael Pittman and ended going early 2nd.

Seth Williams has WR 1 upside. You don't wait till the 3rd for that.

I do want to make sure there are no character, maturity flags but his tape says Draft Me.

In58men · 02-26-2021, 03:32 PM

I’m on the Tylan Wallace train.

Dude is going to be legit

RunKC · 02-26-2021, 03:35 PM

If we could get a bigger guy who is a problem 1X1 that changes everything. We need a bigger target to win catch point passes and box DB’s out.

A guy I like a lot who might be there in rd 2 is Amon-Ra St Brown

el borracho · 02-26-2021, 04:41 PM

Weapons are great, but the priority has to be fixing the Oline this offseason. Given a choice, I would rather watch a couple of nobody receivers fall down and drop passes for an entire season than watch another single game where Mahomes gets his ass kicked like this years Super Bowl.

And for what it is worth, Seth Williams may be available much later in the draft. I'm not saying it completely reflects reality, but draftnetwork rates Williams as the 130th player in this years draft. He is commonly available to us with our 4th round pick. As is Sage Surratt and Josh Imatorbhebhe- all big receivers that could play the "x".

The Chiefs are talented enough to largely- not entirely- but largely discount need and draft BPA. If that is a WR in the 1st- fine. But there is no reason to freak out about weapons when we have Hill, Kelce, Hardman and CEH.

kcbubb · 02-26-2021, 04:44 PM

Anyone like rondale Moore?

kccrow · 02-26-2021, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho

Weapons are great, but the priority has to be fixing the Oline this offseason. Given a choice, I would rather watch a couple of nobody receivers fall down and drop passes for an entire season than watch another single game where Mahomes gets his ass kicked like this years Super Bowl.

And for what it is worth, Seth Williams may be available much later in the draft. I'm not saying it completely reflects reality, but draftnetwork rates Williams as the 130th player in this years draft. He is commonly available to us with our 4th round pick. As is Sage Surratt and Josh Imatorbhebhe- all big receivers that could play the "x".

The Chiefs are talented enough to largely- not entirely- but largely discount need and draft BPA. If that is a WR in the 1st- fine. But there is no reason to freak out about weapons when we have Hill, Kelce, Hardman and CEH.

SO MUCH THIS.

I just got done arguing the same in my mock thread. The Chiefs do need a couple of additional pieces. A WR to play the X, a #2 TE. Sure. But the goal has to be fixing the O-line, particularly tackle. Schwartz probably comes back in 2021, which will give time for Niang to come back in from his COVID vacation and get ready to be Schwartz' heir at RT. They need to replace Fisher. They need to figure out OC and the future at OG. I don't think they can do all of it in one year, but they better do the most important thing: address the long-term validity at both OT spots.

kccrow · 02-26-2021, 05:16 PM

New mock:

1. WR Terrace Marshall, LSU
2. TE Brevin Jordan, Miami
3. WR Seth Williams, Auburn
4. RB Kylin Hill, Mississippi State
4. WR Marquez Stevenson, Houston
5. OT Adrian Ealy, Oklahoma
5. ER Jonathan Cooper, Ohio State
6. FB Ben Mason, Michigan

Moar weapons.

02-26-2021, 12:58 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch	Guys, it's not negotiable. You need to give Mahomes premium weapons in your mocks. The Bucs were probably going to win the Super Bowl no matter what, but we are deluding ourselves if we are creating mock offseasons that don't give Mahomes at least 2 more premium weapons. We routinely get excellent mock offseasons on this forum, and this week has been no exception, but c'mon. You need to either give Mahomes a top flight #2 and #3 receiving option, or you need to give him a top flight #2 WR and a top flight #2 TE. Teams are going to throw all their resources at Kelce and Hill in 2021. You can't snag one really good WR and wipe your hands clean of the problem -- you need multiple tertiary options because someone's going to get injured in or around 2021. I know there's a ton of needs, but protecting Mahomes and giving him more weapons need to be at the top of the list, and if your mock offseason doesn't, it's not passing the smell test here. Last edited by Direckshun; 02-26-2021 at 02:21 PM..
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02-26-2021, 02:56 PM	#5
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! htismaqe's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet	I think we need a matchup guy on the inside worse than we need an X. Watching Chris Simms converted me. Although either would be just fine. And about the TE2, we've needed one ever since Andy arrived and we've never had one. I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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02-26-2021, 02:59 PM	#6
MahomesMagic Generational Player MahomesMagic's Avatar Join Date: May 2017 Location: Honolulu	Fine. This draft is LOADED at WR's near the top that can play. Waddle Chase Smith will be gone by 15. So what's next? Rashod Bateman Kadarius Toney Seth Williams I will also guess that Bateman goes in the 20's before us. So then you take Toney in the 1st or Seth Williams in a trade back or 2nd round move up. Toney can play any WR position, inside/outside. This versatility is prized by KC. He can already run routes like an NFL vet so no 2-3 year plan like Hardman. Seth Williams is a 6'3'', 225 lb Monster. You can't move him he goes where he wants. This would give us an X or traditional possession 1 WR. Imagine Mahomes having Williams/Kelce just turning around after 7-15 yards over and over with Tyreek Hill still lurking. Teams would want to give up. Love Seth Williams!
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02-26-2021, 03:18 PM	#7
staylor26 In Search of a Life staylor26's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2007	I like Williams, but he’s not up there with those guys in anybody’s rankings. We might even be a able to get him in the 3rd.
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02-26-2021, 03:21 PM	#8
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! htismaqe's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet	I'm back on the Toney train. He's a guy that could come in a instantly lineup just about anywhere they want him.
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02-26-2021, 01:10 PM	#2
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Dante84's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS	I do think (hope) Clyde steps up this next season, hopefully with screens and in the pass game. So we'll have 3 legit weapons, But I agree, we need a stud WR #2 (NOT KELCE), and a capable TE #2 as opposed to a JAG. I'm okay with Hardman as WR 3 for the time being, so long as we have a clear stud in front of him and young talent to push him from behind.
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02-26-2021, 01:32 PM	#3
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain The Franchise's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2006	We need at least an average X receiver, a good slot receiver and a capable #2 TE.
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02-26-2021, 03:32 PM	#10
In58men Baba Ganoush In58men's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2012	I’m on the Tylan Wallace train. Dude is going to be legit
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02-26-2021, 03:35 PM	#11
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter RunKC's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2012	If we could get a bigger guy who is a problem 1X1 that changes everything. We need a bigger target to win catch point passes and box DB’s out. A guy I like a lot who might be there in rd 2 is Amon-Ra St Brown
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02-26-2021, 04:41 PM	#12
el borracho In Pat We Trust el borracho's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM	Weapons are great, but the priority has to be fixing the Oline this offseason. Given a choice, I would rather watch a couple of nobody receivers fall down and drop passes for an entire season than watch another single game where Mahomes gets his ass kicked like this years Super Bowl. And for what it is worth, Seth Williams may be available much later in the draft. I'm not saying it completely reflects reality, but draftnetwork rates Williams as the 130th player in this years draft. He is commonly available to us with our 4th round pick. As is Sage Surratt and Josh Imatorbhebhe- all big receivers that could play the "x". The Chiefs are talented enough to largely- not entirely- but largely discount need and draft BPA. If that is a WR in the 1st- fine. But there is no reason to freak out about weapons when we have Hill, Kelce, Hardman and CEH.
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02-26-2021, 04:44 PM	#13
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008	Anyone like rondale Moore?
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02-26-2021, 05:16 PM	#15
kccrow MVP kccrow's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan	New mock: 1. WR Terrace Marshall, LSU 2. TE Brevin Jordan, Miami 3. WR Seth Williams, Auburn 4. RB Kylin Hill, Mississippi State 4. WR Marquez Stevenson, Houston 5. OT Adrian Ealy, Oklahoma 5. ER Jonathan Cooper, Ohio State 6. FB Ben Mason, Michigan Moar weapons.
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