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Direckshun · 02-03-2021, 02:20 PM

Collinsworth and Sherman have a podcast together, which they post to YouTube, and this week they had Jon Gruden on. Pretty solid listen.

Sherman tells a story about Super Bowl LIV. According to Collinsworth, he told it before, but I've never heard it before.

Just... go to 33:45 of this video.

Sherman saw Tyreek Hill lining up on the numbers on a play, diagnosed it as a slant route, and got off the line of scrimmage. Didn't want to play Tyreek tight only to have him escape on a slant never to be caught.

Sherman backs off the line of scrimmage, sees the route develop and reads Mahomes. He sees Mahomes going for the slant.

He jumps it. He's in perfect position. Mahomes is finished winding back and is bringing his arm forward. He figures it's a pick with some serious yardage going back the other way.

Mahomes sees Sherman, and CHANGES THE TRAJECTORY OF THE THROW MID PITCH to put more air under it and adjust its destination so that Sherman has now overrun the route, and Mahomes airs it past Sherman and Tyreek runs it down.

Mahomes didn't pump fake and throw again. He didn't get a full throw -- this wasn't when he was winding up. Sherman said that as Mahomes' arm was coming forward, he caught Sherman and adjusted where he was throwing the ball.

That is absolutely stupidly ridiculous. Like, I'm not even sure I can do that in the backyard with a baseball with any accuracy whatsoever. Mahomes is doing it in the Super Bowl to a Hall of Fame CB.

Just, wow.

My request: Can anybody locate what play this is? Where in the game it happened? Gif it up?

Direckshun · 02-03-2021, 02:21 PM

Also, it sure sounds like Sherman is a Raider next year.

**Baby Lee** · 02-03-2021, 02:22 PM

I don't know how old this Collinsworth interview is, but Sherman was bringing this play up on GMF type shows this past season when he was called on to talk QB/MVP/Mahomes/etc.

If any of those mid-fall GMF-type segments with Sherman are still up, they may have rolled the play in question in the background.

Reid mentioned the Sherman story in some of those mid-fall PCs, and Mellinger referenced it in a mid-season article on Mahomes' greatness.

Direckshun · 02-03-2021, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I don't know how old this Collinsworth interview is, but Sherman was bringing this play up on GMF type shows this past season when he was called on to talk QB/MVP/Mahomes/etc.

This literal interview came out yesterday, but Collinsworth did tell Sherman "man you gotta tell Gruden about the slant play" so he's clearly told the story before.

I never heard it.

carlos3652 · 02-03-2021, 02:29 PM

First Play

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv0AFSgW5cc

**Dartgod** · 02-03-2021, 02:30 PM

It's got to be the first play in this video. In the interview, Sherman mentions that Tyreek's knee was down as it was in this video. There's not really a good view of what Mahomes is doing though. At least it will give you an idea of when the play happened.

**RockChalk** · 02-03-2021, 02:30 PM

It's the second play. Not quite as glamorous as he makes it out to be.

**Dartgod** · 02-03-2021, 02:33 PM

13:44 in this video.

**Rain Man** · 02-03-2021, 02:33 PM

I was having a really hard time understanding what Anthony Sherman was talking about until I realized it was Richard Sherman.

**alpha_omega** · 02-03-2021, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Also, it sure sounds like Sherman is a Raider next year.

Please.

Sassy Squatch · 02-03-2021, 02:38 PM

Gruden outright tampering on a podcast. That's pretty dumb.

KCwolf · 02-03-2021, 02:46 PM

That's a great interview -- regardless if you like these guys or not - they do LOVE football. Sherman is a high IQ player and you could see Gruden light up when Sherman was talking defensive schemes ... could easily see Richard Sherman in the booth in a couple years.

MahomesMagic · 02-03-2021, 03:01 PM

A QB can generate torque from how he’s grounded, his ability to shift his weight, how he’s able to open his hips, how he’s able to roll his shoulder, his arm and his ability to snap his wrist. Mahomes does them all. That’s rare and should have been seen by these so called QB gurus. It wasn’t, because Mahomes throws the ball differently nearly every single play. Not only can he generate torque in all those ways, but he can seamlessly omit portions of his delivery without losing the results. This fact coupled with the velocity he generates puts him in a class all his own. An arm as big as Favre’s, mechanical adaptability on the level with Rodgers and Favre, with the ability to bend a ball and display touch on par with Rodgers. A combination of both HOF QBs. Even QBs who defy “proper” mechanics on a weekly basis can not do what Mahomes naturally does. Watch the Pittsburgh game. Wheel route to Sammy Watkins out of a stack set, Mahomes rolls left, does a jump stop fade away throw to Watkins back shoulder. The ball travels 25 yards. All hips, arm, wrist. A jump stop fade away throw on target. That defies logic but he can do that. In college, he threw a dart on a slant with so much velocity that when the S and the CB jumped it, their angles were instantly wrong. They ended up tripping each other. Mahomes double pumped, didn’t fully load the ball or step into the throw. Why omit those aspects from his delivery? There wasn’t enough time, the window was about to close. It shreds the concept of release time, it amplifies his ability to throw with touch in any circumstance. This is an otherworldly degree of talent and it never needed to be fixed. It needed to be unleashed. Reid has done just that.
https://footballunlocked.com/2018/09...f-the-mammals/

Direckshun · 02-03-2021, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RockChalk

It's the second play. Not quite as glamorous as he makes it out to be.

Huh.

I've seen recordings of myself playing sports and it always feels more dynamic and immediate in person than it is when you watch. Lots of nuances that get lost on screen.

I also always feel like I'm moving so fast when I play, but then I'll watch the video and I'll be shocked at how slow myself and everybody else on the field is actually moving.

bowener · 02-03-2021, 03:57 PM

This sounds more like Sherman read the play wrong and got duped and Mahomes threw a timing ball to where Tyreek was going to be.

edit: after seeing the play it looks like Tyreek and Mahomes saw Sherman was going to try to jump the route so Tyreek sat on the route and got an easy completion.

02-03-2021, 02:20 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch	The most ridiculous Mahomes story yet. (With a request.) Collinsworth and Sherman have a podcast together, which they post to YouTube, and this week they had Jon Gruden on. Pretty solid listen. Sherman tells a story about Super Bowl LIV. According to Collinsworth, he told it before, but I've never heard it before. Just... go to 33:45 of this video. Sherman saw Tyreek Hill lining up on the numbers on a play, diagnosed it as a slant route, and got off the line of scrimmage. Didn't want to play Tyreek tight only to have him escape on a slant never to be caught. Sherman backs off the line of scrimmage, sees the route develop and reads Mahomes. He sees Mahomes going for the slant. He jumps it. He's in perfect position. Mahomes is finished winding back and is bringing his arm forward. He figures it's a pick with some serious yardage going back the other way. Mahomes sees Sherman, and CHANGES THE TRAJECTORY OF THE THROW MID PITCH to put more air under it and adjust its destination so that Sherman has now overrun the route, and Mahomes airs it past Sherman and Tyreek runs it down. Mahomes didn't pump fake and throw again. He didn't get a full throw -- this wasn't when he was winding up. Sherman said that as Mahomes' arm was coming forward, he caught Sherman and adjusted where he was throwing the ball. That is absolutely stupidly ridiculous. Like, I'm not even sure I can do that in the backyard with a baseball with any accuracy whatsoever. Mahomes is doing it in the Super Bowl to a Hall of Fame CB. Just, wow. My request: Can anybody locate what play this is? Where in the game it happened? Gif it up?
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02-03-2021, 02:21 PM	#2
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch	Also, it sure sounds like Sherman is a Raider next year.
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Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000	I don't know how old this Collinsworth interview is, but Sherman was bringing this play up on GMF type shows this past season when he was called on to talk QB/MVP/Mahomes/etc. If any of those mid-fall GMF-type segments with Sherman are still up, they may have rolled the play in question in the background. Reid mentioned the Sherman story in some of those mid-fall PCs, and Mellinger referenced it in a mid-season article on Mahomes' greatness.
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02-03-2021, 02:29 PM	#5
carlos3652 El Diablo Join Date: Dec 2004	First Play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv0AFSgW5cc
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02-03-2021, 02:30 PM	#6
Dartgod Wasted away again... Dartgod's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: in Margaritaville	It's got to be the first play in this video. In the interview, Sherman mentions that Tyreek's knee was down as it was in this video. There's not really a good view of what Mahomes is doing though. At least it will give you an idea of when the play happened.
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02-03-2021, 02:30 PM	#7
RockChalk Dirty Bit RockChalk's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lake of the Woods	It's the second play. Not quite as glamorous as he makes it out to be.
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02-03-2021, 02:33 PM	#8
Dartgod Wasted away again... Dartgod's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: in Margaritaville	13:44 in this video.
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Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Rain Man's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house	I was having a really hard time understanding what Anthony Sherman was talking about until I realized it was Richard Sherman.
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02-03-2021, 02:38 PM	#11
Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Sassy Squatch's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2010	Gruden outright tampering on a podcast. That's pretty dumb.
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02-03-2021, 02:46 PM	#12
KCwolf Finisher KCwolf's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland Oregon	That's a great interview -- regardless if you like these guys or not - they do LOVE football. Sherman is a high IQ player and you could see Gruden light up when Sherman was talking defensive schemes ... could easily see Richard Sherman in the booth in a couple years.
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02-03-2021, 03:01 PM	#13
MahomesMagic Generational Player MahomesMagic's Avatar Join Date: May 2017 Location: Honolulu	A QB can generate torque from how he’s grounded, his ability to shift his weight, how he’s able to open his hips, how he’s able to roll his shoulder, his arm and his ability to snap his wrist. Mahomes does them all. That’s rare and should have been seen by these so called QB gurus. It wasn’t, because Mahomes throws the ball differently nearly every single play. Not only can he generate torque in all those ways, but he can seamlessly omit portions of his delivery without losing the results. This fact coupled with the velocity he generates puts him in a class all his own. An arm as big as Favre’s, mechanical adaptability on the level with Rodgers and Favre, with the ability to bend a ball and display touch on par with Rodgers. A combination of both HOF QBs. Even QBs who defy “proper” mechanics on a weekly basis can not do what Mahomes naturally does. Watch the Pittsburgh game. Wheel route to Sammy Watkins out of a stack set, Mahomes rolls left, does a jump stop fade away throw to Watkins back shoulder. The ball travels 25 yards. All hips, arm, wrist. A jump stop fade away throw on target. That defies logic but he can do that. In college, he threw a dart on a slant with so much velocity that when the S and the CB jumped it, their angles were instantly wrong. They ended up tripping each other. Mahomes double pumped, didn’t fully load the ball or step into the throw. Why omit those aspects from his delivery? There wasn’t enough time, the window was about to close. It shreds the concept of release time, it amplifies his ability to throw with touch in any circumstance. This is an otherworldly degree of talent and it never needed to be fixed. It needed to be unleashed. Reid has done just that. https://footballunlocked.com/2018/09...f-the-mammals/
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02-03-2021, 03:57 PM	#15
bowener BAMF! bowener's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2007	This sounds more like Sherman read the play wrong and got duped and Mahomes threw a timing ball to where Tyreek was going to be. edit: after seeing the play it looks like Tyreek and Mahomes saw Sherman was going to try to jump the route so Tyreek sat on the route and got an easy completion.
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