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Old 10-19-2021, 01:55 PM  
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Old 11-19-2021, 12:15 PM   #166
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Eh, I'm never going to go to bat for Dwight Howard. Apart from being just a weird dude and by many accounts a lousy teammate, he just wasn't a skilled player.

This isn't Shaq here who had a variety of low-post moves he could go to. And he didn't even play during the 'no zone defense' years like Shaq did in his prime. He was out there just being a big body allowed to hover in the defensive zone and alter shots or set up for rebounds. And when he was putting up big rebound numbers he was on an undersized team that just cleared out and let him scoop them all up.

He was a more chiseled version of Horace Grant. He is a put-back player on offense with no handles, no passing ability and no real moves to speak of. On defense he played in an era that made it awfully easy for him as space/pace hadn't come into vogue yet and big guys could go into zone shells to keep their miles down.

He was never a key contributor (even a top 5 option) on a championship team. While he made the finals that one year in Orlando, he also took 3 pretty lousy 1st round losses including 2 during what would have been his peak years.

So many people have gotten onto 'Dwight Howard was underrated' train that he's become overrated. Yes, we're early in AD's career but just cutting it off through their respective age 28 seasons, Davis has been more accomplished, far more productive and versatile on offense and a comparable defensive player in an era where it's harder for big men to make a defensive impact.

I really don't have a problem with it, especially when you know they try to make these with an eye on the future. By age 29 Dwight Howard had effectively become an NBA journeyman who was well on his way to a bench role. I think it's fair to believe that Davis will age far better than that.

In five years I don't think this will be any kind of discussion at all, and that's presuming that it should be right this very minute.
The simple fact alone he took his team to the Finals and beat Lebron James in the ECF makes him more deserving than AD and he didn't have to leave to form a super team to do it. He even did that in Year 5. By year 5 AD had made 1 playoff appearance.

I think people forget how dominant DHoward was.

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Old 11-19-2021, 12:37 PM   #167
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Dwight Howard was very good for a time. I'd rank his career above AD's for now. Doubt that will be the case for long though (even if AD spends most games half assing it).
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Old 11-19-2021, 07:57 PM   #168
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I'm not saying that the pistons are any good. But, the fact that curry, green, iggy, porter (and of course klay and wiseman) are all out and the Warriors are still winning handily says something.
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Old 11-19-2021, 09:04 PM   #169
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Lebron is back and they still get blown out by a very mediocre Celtics team.
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Old 11-19-2021, 10:24 PM   #170
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Old 11-19-2021, 11:34 PM   #171
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Lebron is back and they still get blown out by a very mediocre Celtics team.
Still think they’ll be one of the favorites? Vegas still has them 2nd somehow but they’re just a total disaster of a team.
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Old 11-20-2021, 08:10 AM   #172
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Still think they’ll be one of the favorites? Vegas still has them 2nd somehow but they’re just a total disaster of a team.
Currently no that is GSW but ask me again right before the playoffs.
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Old 11-21-2021, 07:27 PM   #173
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Isaiah Stewart of Pistons crazily going after Lebron after Lecheapshot elbowed him in the face.

Lebron don’t want no part of it either.

He was ejected from the game. As was Stewart.
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Lebron will have an "injury" and won't play the time they see Detroit. I don't hate on him for the cheap shot...the shitty part was not owning it and firing back at Stewart. That would have been some old school shit.
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Sparked the Lakers though. Turned it around and got the win when they were down 13 at the time.

The clip I watched on espn had such LeBron biased announcers. 'Inadvertant elbow' and 'just jostling for position' and then the kicker when the overhead shot clearly showed LeBron going extra and hitting him 'well that angle didn't really show the two involved.' Bullshit it didnt.
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Sparked the Lakers though. Turned it around and got the win when they were down 13 at the time.

The clip I watched on espn had such LeBron biased announcers. 'Inadvertant elbow' and 'just jostling for position' and then the kicker when the overhead shot clearly showed LeBron going extra and hitting him 'well that angle didn't really show the two involved.' Bullshit it didnt.
Although I’m not sure he meant to hit him in the face, LeBron definitely meant to give Stewart a shot. I’m not exactly sure what Stewart is doing on that play because if he was actually going after the rebound and trying to make a basketball play, his focus would have been on Jordan (the low man on the block there) rather than putting his forearm into LeBron (who is just returning from an abdominal injury in that general area).

Stewart has gotten into a number of altercations already in his short career including one with Blake Griffin a few weeks ago where he was ejected and Giannis last year, so it does appear he is out there effectively picking these fights. He’s lucky he didn’t get more than two games for completely losing his mind last night.
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Although I’m not sure he meant to hit him in the face, LeBron definitely meant to give Stewart a shot. I’m not exactly sure what Stewart is doing on that play because if he was actually going after the rebound and trying to make a basketball play, his focus would have been on Jordan (the low man on the block there) rather than putting his forearm into LeBron (who is just returning from an abdominal injury in that general area).

Stewart has gotten into a number of altercations already in his short career including one with Blake Griffin a few weeks ago where he was ejected and Giannis last year, so it does appear he is out there effectively picking these fights. He’s lucky he didn’t get more than two games for completely losing his mind last night.
An abdominal injury in the armpit? That's an interesting spot for one.

Regardless, I would have given LeBron 2 games and Stewart 4-5. If he hadn't went back at him two times I'd have said they both needed 2 games. But he kinda lost his damn mind.
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An abdominal injury in the armpit? That's an interesting spot for one.

Regardless, I would have given LeBron 2 games and Stewart 4-5. If he hadn't went back at him two times I'd have said they both needed 2 games. But he kinda lost his damn mind.
I'd probably just go ahead and suspend Westbrook for 60. Just to be safe.
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