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Old 04-05-2022, 02:03 PM  
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Would you give up next years 1 and 29 to get up high enough to take Johnson?
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Old 04-05-2022, 02:09 PM   #2
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If they're going to trade up, they need to go get a guy that can start and have an impact right from the start.

Trading up for Johnson is one of the few trades I could stomach.
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Old 04-05-2022, 02:12 PM   #3
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I'd rather give up 29 and 50. Roughly the same value. But yeah.
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Old 04-05-2022, 02:15 PM   #4
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I'd rather give up 29 and 50. Roughly the same value. But yeah.
I think if you give up 50....then you almost need to trade out of 30 to pick up another pick to make up for it.

We've gone so many years without a 1st round pick, that giving up another one for Johnson doesn't hurt as much.
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Old 04-05-2022, 02:20 PM   #5
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I think if you give up 50....then you almost need to trade out of 30 to pick up another pick to make up for it.

We've gone so many years without a 1st round pick, that giving up another one for Johnson doesn't hurt as much.
Probably would be my plan anyway.

The Texans are an intriguing partner here.

Here's a fun concept:

Texans get:

29, 30, and 62

Chiefs get:
13, 37

That works out pretty well in value. You're giving up a 2nd, but still have 2 of them and still get 3 picks in the top 50 of this draft.

I'm not sure 13 is high enough to be assured of Johnson, though.
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Old 04-05-2022, 02:24 PM   #6
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Probably would be my plan anyway.

The Texans are an intriguing partner here.

Here's a fun concept:

Texans get:

29, 30, and 62

Chiefs get:
13, 37

That works out pretty well in value. You're giving up a 2nd, but still have 2 of them and still get 3 picks in the top 50 of this draft.

I'm not sure 13 is high enough to be assured of Johnson, though.
13 would get you into the cream of this draft, even if it's not Johnson, and getting 37 back would be good value.

I actually like this idea.
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Old 04-05-2022, 02:24 PM   #7
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Probably would be my plan anyway.

The Texans are an intriguing partner here.

Here's a fun concept:

Texans get:

29, 30, and 62

Chiefs get:
13, 37

That works out pretty well in value. You're giving up a 2nd, but still have 2 of them and still get 3 picks in the top 50 of this draft.

I'm not sure 13 is high enough to be assured of Johnson, though.
Not sure Houston would do that. They'd be giving up a 3rd round picks worth of value.
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Old 04-05-2022, 02:26 PM   #8
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13 would get you into the cream of this draft, even if it's not Johnson, and getting 37 back would be good value.

I actually like this idea.
Would you like it if 13 ends up being Karlaftis? I just ran that on TDN and ended up with Karlaftis at 13 and Brisker at 37. Could have gone Cameron Thomas at 37, too... though he's an awkward pairing with Karlaftis since they're similar players.

Not sexy. But pretty good returns.
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A trade like that would probably look more like:

Houston gets #29, #30 and #62

Kansas City gets #13 and #68
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Old 04-05-2022, 02:29 PM   #10
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Not sure Houston would do that. They'd be giving up a 3rd round picks worth of value.
Which chart are you basing it on?

And yeah, looking at drafttek, it looks like it need to include either 50 instead of 62 or include 62 and another pick. That runs off the Johnson chart.
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Old 04-05-2022, 02:31 PM   #11
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A trade like that would probably look more like:

Houston gets #29, #30 and #62

Kansas City gets #13 and #68
On the Johnson Chart, this is the Chiefs overpaying by pick 89.5.
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Which chart are you basing it on?

And yeah, looking at drafttek, it looks like it need to include either 50 instead of 62 or include 62 and another pick. That runs off the Johnson chart.
The Rich Hill model has the value at:

Chiefs giving up 483. Houston giving up (with #37) 498.

I was using the Johnson model for my earlier post.
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Would you like it if 13 ends up being Karlaftis? I just ran that on TDN and ended up with Karlaftis at 13 and Brisker at 37. Could have gone Cameron Thomas at 37, too... though he's an awkward pairing with Karlaftis since they're similar players.

Not sexy. But pretty good returns.
Yeah. I'd be okay with that.

I'll be honest - about the only thing I'm against at this point is trading up for Williams or Ojabo.

It's one thing to take a guy with an injury. It's another thing altogether to trade up for that...
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I think if you're trading up you're gonna shoot for a potential home run type dude. I don't think I'd do it for Karlaftis.

Johnson maybe.
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I'm trading up to the 13-15 range for Johnson, Karlaftis would probably be the 15-20 range if he's there.

Johnson can set the edge in run defense AND has pass rush skills. I think he's a 10-12 sack a season guy.
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