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04-08-2020, 04:06 PM | #18736 | |
THIS .... IS... ARROWHEAD!!!!
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That's why I'd like to reach a consensus faster. I'm not arguing that its a cure all. Maybe you guys are not understanding my position. I look at Hydrixychloroquine as a therapeutic and a possible prophylaxis. Not a cure. |
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04-08-2020, 04:07 PM | #18737 |
I love your mom
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My wife and all the other ER Doctors I have talked to have said the same thing , the early trials or anecdotal evidence were very incomplete with holes big enough to drive a truck through, could that change absolutely or it could be some other drugs they are testing .
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04-08-2020, 04:08 PM | #18738 | |
THIS .... IS... ARROWHEAD!!!!
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I understand you waiting. That's fine, what I dont understand is people saying there is no evidence or that it doesn't work. Then in the same breath claiming studies have to be done. "But yeah it doesnt work" |
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04-08-2020, 04:09 PM | #18739 | |
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And secondly, the drug combo, if effective, would only slow down the viral replication, not cure anyone. And yet, thousands continue to die each day despite people like you saying that they "believe" it works. Why is that, again? |
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04-08-2020, 04:09 PM | #18740 | |
Now you've pissed me off!
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Unfortunately, clinicians overstate efficacy and underestimate safety concerns. It's basically the axiom of the need for evidence-based medicine. We need rigorously designed trials in theory, but I also know that we don't have time for them in this case. Consequently, any information taken from those trials must be viewed with extreme skepticism, because the normal procedures for constructing a truly robust trial aren't being followed and can't be followed to the extent we need for a truly definitive judgment. |
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04-08-2020, 04:11 PM | #18741 | |
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04-08-2020, 04:11 PM | #18742 | |
"Think BOOM!"
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There's no non-anecdotal evidence that it works. Yes, people are saying that controlled trials have to be performed. That's how we get non-anecdotal evidence. It's not hard to understand at all. It's called science. |
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04-08-2020, 04:12 PM | #18743 | |
THIS .... IS... ARROWHEAD!!!!
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All I'm saying it with the dot connecting, is Governments know more than me and you. And currently world governments are buying the shit out of the drug. So you have your opinion and I have mine. |
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04-08-2020, 04:12 PM | #18744 | |
Inmem 2.0
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Thought that was interesting. |
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04-08-2020, 04:12 PM | #18745 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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You can't just toss out a study that doses HCL on its own and say "look - proof this won't accomplish anything..." The combined impact of HCL and Z-pack seems to be the focus, not just the idea that HCL on its own accomplishes anything. Thanks for clarification on the Z-Pack; my concern has been that the juice needs to be worth the squeeze on this thing. If it turns out we mass doze with azithromycin and in so doing create resistance to it that makes it less effective for those treatments its currently proven VERY good at, we've robbed peter to pay paul. I was hopeful that there were a myriad of broad-spectrum antibiotics that could be used in its stead to avoid that issue. That's why I've been more than content holding back on using this as a wholesale treatment regiment. The juice has to be worth the squeeze. If it turns out the Z-pack is effective and is the ONLY effective complementary antiobiotic, then we need to make sure it's effective ENOUGH to justify the long-term risk that could come from significant distribution of an antibiotic that could then lead to resistance problems in areas it's effectively treated for years. |
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04-08-2020, 04:13 PM | #18746 |
THIS .... IS... ARROWHEAD!!!!
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I mean the definition of controlled studies is another thing. Why were those French studies not worth noting? Too small?
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04-08-2020, 04:13 PM | #18747 | |
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You, on the other hand, "believe" that this med works, despite having no background in biology, chemistry, cardiology, neuroscience or pharmacology, because someone else said so. That's not evidence. |
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04-08-2020, 04:16 PM | #18748 |
"Think BOOM!"
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04-08-2020, 04:20 PM | #18749 |
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04-08-2020, 04:23 PM | #18750 |
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