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**Saulbadguy** · 09-12-2011, 07:57 AM

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

eazyb81 · 09-19-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

WTF ever. It is year in and out one of the top 3 conferences in football.

The ACC hasn't been top 3 in football in the last decade. Have you been living under a rock?

RustShack · 09-19-2011, 04:25 PM

Iowa State 35th in college football attendance
Cyclones rank fifth in Big 12, outpace most of ACC, Big East, Pac-12

Garcia Bronco · 09-19-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Of course it is. Football schools are stampeding to get in.

What do you mean. They already have the best football schools on the entire Atlantic Coast that are available that have the academics to even be admitted.

Imon Yourside · 09-19-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Iowa State 35th in college football attendance
Cyclones rank fifth in Big 12, outpace most of ACC, Big East, Pac-12

I believe it's specifically about number of TV sets, although i could be wrong.

eazyb81 · 09-19-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie

Huh? Only five schools in the ACC are part of the AAU.

Anyway, this is no longer about academics.

I think academics is part of it, in that it can prevent you from getting to the final round but it can't win you a spot by itself.

West Virginia has awful academics, and conferences are wary about bringing in a school that has such a poor reputation.

kstater · 09-19-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Iowa State 35th in college football attendance
Cyclones rank fifth in Big 12, outpace most of ACC, Big East, Pac-12

They've played two rivals at home. Tell me the stats at the end of the year.

Garcia Bronco · 09-19-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

The ACC hasn't been top 3 in football in the last decade. Have you been living under a rock?

Bullshit.

They've been better than the Big 10, Big 12/Pac-10, and the Big East. Swap out the big 12 and pac 10 some years as things go up and down.

Big 10 and Big East football is a joke compared to the other conferences they are always last and at no time over the past ten years been better than the ACC top-to-bottom.

Garcia Bronco · 09-19-2011, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I think academics is part of it, in that it can prevent you from getting to the final round but it can't win you a spot by itself.

West Virginia has awful academics, and conferences are wary about bringing in a school that has such a poor reputation.

SEC academics aren't terrible, but WVU is good enough to get in that conference from an academic perspective.

RustShack · 09-19-2011, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

They've played two rivals at home. Tell me the stats at the end of the year.

Texas might break both next weekend. But hey nice try.

**alnorth** · 09-19-2011, 04:29 PM

The decision by the UT regents is odd. They declined to give UT the authority to change conferences. They basically gave them the authority to either publicly announce that UT is staying in the Big 12, or come back again later to ask for permission to leave the Big 12 if UT doesn't think they can make it work.

kstater · 09-19-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Texas might break both next weekend. But hey nice try.

Again, come back at the end of the year and tell me ISU's stats.

Stewie · 09-19-2011, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

SEC academics aren't terrible, but WVU is good enough to get in that conference from an academic perspective.

Only Florida and Vanderbilt qualify for AAU status. The SEC isn't about academics.

**Saul Good** · 09-19-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Bullshit.

They've been better than the Big 10, Big 12/Pac-10, and the Big East. Swap out the big 12 and pac 10 some years as things go up and down.

Big 10 and Big East football is a joke compared to the other conferences they are always last and at no time over the past ten years been better than the ACC top-to-bottom.

The ACC is terrible at football. They are better than the Big East, but not by a lot.

eazyb81 · 09-19-2011, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Bullshit.

They've been better than the Big 10, Big 12/Pac-10, and the Big East. Swap out the big 12 and pac 10 some years as things go up and down.

Big 10 and Big East football is a joke compared to the other conferences they are always last and at no time over the past ten years been better than the ACC top-to-bottom.

Dude you are joking are just crazy.

ACC football is FSU, Miami, Va Tech, and a bunch of nobodies. FSU has been mediocre since the 90's (getting better now), Miami has been off an on since the NC game in the early 00's.

SEC, Big 12, and Big Ten have CLEARLY been better. No contest really.

**Saul Good** · 09-19-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Dude you are joking are just crazy.

ACC football is FSU, Miami, Va Tech, and a bunch of nobodies. FSU has been mediocre since the 90's (getting better now), Miami has been off an on since the NC game in the early 00's.

SEC, Big 12, and Big Ten have CLEARLY been better. No contest really.

So has the Pac 10.

09-12-2011, 07:57 AM
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Saulbadguy's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2003	New Conference re-alignment thread The old one has AIDS. Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month. Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com. Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said. The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said. Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned. If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday. There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12. Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative. Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division. Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox). If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form. Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options." Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas. Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas. There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits. Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC. It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools. Stay tuned.
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alnorth . alnorth's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2002	The decision by the UT regents is odd. They declined to give UT the authority to change conferences. They basically gave them the authority to either publicly announce that UT is staying in the Big 12, or come back again later to ask for permission to leave the Big 12 if UT doesn't think they can make it work.
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